Mariner draft busts.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by acctingman » Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:32 pm

I saw the M's could have drafted Mike Trout instead of Ackley :shock:

M's would have still sucked.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by DavidGee24 » Thu Jul 24, 2025 9:48 pm

acctingman wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:32 pm
I saw the M's could have drafted Mike Trout instead of Ackley :shock:

M's would have still sucked.
Trout went 25th in the first round, 24 teams took a pass on him. Baseball is just that random and the draft is almost entirely a crapshoot. Mike Piazza was a 62nd round pick.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by Hy Feiber » Thu Jul 24, 2025 10:46 pm

harmony wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:42 pm
Of the 18 "draft busts" mentioned in the linked article, Evan White was the only one selected after Jerry Dipoto joined the Mariners in 2015.
Jack Z was awful.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by Captain 97 » Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:20 pm

acctingman wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:32 pm
I saw the M's could have drafted Mike Trout instead of Ackley :shock:

M's would have still sucked.
If I remember correctly they had a reliever named Fields that was their first round pick the previous year. He went almost a full year without signing and the signed him at the last minute. If they wouldn't have signed him they would have had a supplemental pick in the Trout draft that would have been a couple of picks before where the Angels drafted Trout. Who knows if they would have picked him or not but they would have had the opportunity. They weren't the only ones who passed on trout. There are about a dozen players selected before him who had a cup of coffee at best in the Big Leagues.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by Captain 97 » Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:39 pm

Hy Feiber wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 10:46 pm
harmony wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:42 pm
Of the 18 "draft busts" mentioned in the linked article, Evan White was the only one selected after Jerry Dipoto joined the Mariners in 2015.
Jack Z was awful.
I think Jack Z gets an unfair bad rap. They made him do a rebuild and decreased his payroll every year for his his first several years. Then they finally let him spend but got impatient and sent him packing before he had a chance to finish the rebuild. The team Jack Z assembled would have made the playoffs in 2016 if Dipoto hadn't traded off Trumbo and replaced him with Adam Lind.
Jack Z Drafted Kyle Seager(37 Career WAR) and brought in Nelson Cruz (17 War for M's in 4 years) and Robinson Cano (24 WAR for M's in 5 years). He also signed Ketel Marte (30 career WAR) and Edwin Diaz (3 time all star with 250 career saves) both of whom were traded off by Dipoto.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:41 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:20 pm
acctingman wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:32 pm
I saw the M's could have drafted Mike Trout instead of Ackley :shock:

M's would have still sucked.
If I remember correctly they had a reliever named Fields that was their first round pick the previous year. He went almost a full year without signing and the signed him at the last minute. If they wouldn't have signed him they would have had a supplemental pick in the Trout draft that would have been a couple of picks before where the Angels drafted Trout. Who knows if they would have picked him or not but they would have had the opportunity. They weren't the only ones who passed on trout. There are about a dozen players selected before him who had a cup of coffee at best in the Big Leagues.
Familiar with this, that was the true Josh Fields fuck up
LOS ANGELES - The Los Angeles Dodgers today acquired right-handed reliever Josh Fields from the Astros in exchange for minor league first baseman Yordan Alvarez. Fields, 30, went 1-0 with one save and a 1.65 ERA in 23 relief appearances for the Astros' Triple-A Fresno this season, limiting opponents to a .192 batting average with a 0.65 WHIP. He also made 15 appearances for the Astros this year, posting a 6.89 ERA (12 ER/15.2 IP), and went 9-10 with nine saves and a 4.53 ERA in 164 big-league games with Houston in four seasons from 2013-16, averaging better than a strikeout per inning in the Majors with 197 Ks in 159.0 innings. He was originally selected by the Mariners in the first round (20th overall) of the 2008 First-Year Player Draft out of the University of Georgia.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:47 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:20 pm
acctingman wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 8:32 pm
I saw the M's could have drafted Mike Trout instead of Ackley :shock:

M's would have still sucked.
If I remember correctly they had a reliever named Fields that was their first round pick the previous year. He went almost a full year without signing and the signed him at the last minute. If they wouldn't have signed him they would have had a supplemental pick in the Trout draft that would have been a couple of picks before where the Angels drafted Trout. Who knows if they would have picked him or not but they would have had the opportunity. They weren't the only ones who passed on trout. There are about a dozen players selected before him who had a cup of coffee at best in the Big Leagues.
This is exactly correct. And our Top Scout was actually standing in Trout's living room ready to draft him when Zdeurencick got the Josh Fields signing over the finish line at the very last minute.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:51 pm

DavidGee24 wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 6:51 pm
Hy Feiber wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 5:20 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Jul 24, 2025 4:55 pm
Ackley their biggest bust? I don't buy that, look around the league, its not that uncommon for a highly selected player to have a middling career. He put up 8 war, what did Chambers put up?
I agree, he should be at the bottom of that list.
I think that you have to take expectations into account. Ackley was regarded as the top college hitter with the stats to back it up in a time where you could watch all of his ABs on TV and break them down whereas Chambers was a high-school player in the '70s where they'd have one scout watch a few of his games and write their player ratings down on paper and then mail them to the Mariner front office.
believe the expectations were built on a weak draft. He didn't hit for power, he was coming off of tj surgery, he didn't have a position. In a decently stocked draft he isn't making the top 10 and his career trajectory is not really unusual.

To answer the question, Ackley had a hole in his swing that wasn't attacked until he went up against ML pitchers. Believe it was the top of the zone, couldn't catch up to high strikes

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Jul 24, 2025 11:52 pm

Trout slipped through the cracks because he came from Jersey. Back then, if you weren’t from TX, CA, FL you weren’t considered to have played against top competition. They also didn’t have nearly the depth they do today when it comes to camps and scouting. Perfect Game, for instance.

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Re: Mariner draft busts.

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Jul 25, 2025 12:05 am

Danny Hultzen has to be the biggest bust, that was a real headscratcher even on draft day. The talent they passed on to take him, that he really never made the majors, and that his pitching form was questionable. The first thing they did was try to correct how he threw across his body

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