Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by GL_Storm » Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:49 pm

DavidGee24 wrote:
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Donn Beach wrote:
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Man, you always blindly agree with management, although it's also you being contrarian because you can't help yourself.

Whether that's the plan or not is irrelevant, the manager has to go with what's going to give the team the best chance to win, not what he thinks the GM would want to do. Now, if that's what Wilson is doing then he's just a yes-man and that by itself puts him in over his head.

Pinch-hitters are 0-18 this season and 1-11 in second ABs. That's 1-29 because of Wilson's dumb decisions.

Argument over.
I'm not agreeing with it and it's not an argument. I'm saying its not about Wilson being over his head. All this stuff has been gone over before the game. They've decided to stick with their platoons. All these match-ups are planned for.
And there's more classic DB. We're talking about whether the team is managed the right way or the wrong way and your two cents is "That's the way he manages". No shit, Columbo. Good old DB providing us with the answers that everyone already knew to the questions that nobody asked.
No, he's saying there's an organizational plan about using platoon matchups and Wilson is sticking to that plan. Behind the scenes, Wilson could very well be arguing for a different approach. But right now, he's following what the organization wants to do, which is likely driven by analytics.

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by DavidGee24 » Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:51 pm

I've noticed that too about opposing managers bringing in lefties early to pitch to Raley and Canzone and wondering if they're thinking good, Wilson will take at least one of these guys out of the game right now. He is getting outmanaged, no doubt about that.

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by DavidGee24 » Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:56 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:49 pm
No, he's saying there's an organizational plan about using platoon matchups and Wilson is sticking to that plan. Behind the scenes, Wilson could very well be arguing for a different approach. But right now, he's following what the organization wants to do, which is likely driven by analytics.
Well, one thing's for sure, Refsnyder is definitely putting the "anal" in analytics. "Plans" aside, you've got to stick with the hot bats and try to win each game as it's there to be won, you don't want to sacrifice wins because of "plans".

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by bpj » Tue Apr 21, 2026 5:03 pm

DavidGee24 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:51 pm
I've noticed that too about opposing managers bringing in lefties early to pitch to Raley and Canzone and wondering if they're thinking good, Wilson will take at least one of these guys out of the game right now. He is getting outmanaged, no doubt about that.
Agreed.

The problem is obviously Dipoto's dumbass strategy, and Wilson's willingness to bend to those demands, which was probably why he got the job handed to him.

The real question is how long it'll take Dipoto's dumbass to realize his strategy of strict righty/lefty is moronic.

He's pulling his lefty bats in the 6th, which just sets his righty bats up to get blown away by most teams right handed closers. It's like Retard 101, and Dipoto/Wilson are getting demolished.

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Apr 21, 2026 5:06 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:44 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
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Yeah, I believe he's managing the team the way dipoto intends him to manage it. I don't see the hard part in that really
Yeah its not hard so why do you feel the need to tell us the sun is hot and water is wet instead of giving your opinion on whether or not it is a good or bad strategy?
Because that's not what the article is about, it's claiming the issue is Wilson being over matched

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Apr 21, 2026 5:19 pm

Did anybody look at the piece on Sevais? I think it's interesting looking back. This is the same sort of abuse we heaped on Servais isn't it? Servais was Dipotos lapdog.
We had a hunch and we rode the hunch and it worked out great
That's Servais managing independently. I honestly can't see Wilson saying something like that. And again, Servais got fired. You really think Dipoto would replace Wilson with a manager that was more prone to playing hunches? I think Dipoto is about tightening down the screws

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by Hy Feiber » Tue Apr 21, 2026 5:41 pm

DavidGee24 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:56 pm
GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:49 pm
No, he's saying there's an organizational plan about using platoon matchups and Wilson is sticking to that plan. Behind the scenes, Wilson could very well be arguing for a different approach. But right now, he's following what the organization wants to do, which is likely driven by analytics.
Well, one thing's for sure, Refsnyder is definitely putting the "anal" in analytics. "Plans" aside, you've got to stick with the hot bats and try to win each game as it's there to be won, you don't want to sacrifice wins because of "plans".
$6 mil for a journeyman Zero.

Only against lefties.

Typical dumb move.

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Apr 21, 2026 6:07 pm

I hadn't really followed the situation that closely, that makes sense to me. It's not really the pinch hitting for Riley but why do it then? It's a low leverage situation, why burn Rey there?
I'm on record as saying I don't mind if Raley (.182 vs. LHP in his career) being pinch-hit for, and I don't mind it happening in the sixth inning, regardless of what might be coming later. Raley had also already struck out twice in big spots, so there's no guarantee that he would have succeeded in the eighth either.

However, in a situation where there's 1-out and nobody on, and Refsynder's at-bat only becomes a difference maker via a home run? That isn't the best time to deploy him. I don't ever want to punt a scoring opportunity, but that wasn't a high-leverage situation enough to burn Raley, even if he'd been struggling to that point
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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by DavidGee24 » Tue Apr 21, 2026 6:38 pm

Hy Feiber wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2026 5:41 pm
DavidGee24 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:56 pm
GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:49 pm
No, he's saying there's an organizational plan about using platoon matchups and Wilson is sticking to that plan. Behind the scenes, Wilson could very well be arguing for a different approach. But right now, he's following what the organization wants to do, which is likely driven by analytics.
Well, one thing's for sure, Refsnyder is definitely putting the "anal" in analytics. "Plans" aside, you've got to stick with the hot bats and try to win each game as it's there to be won, you don't want to sacrifice wins because of "plans".
$6 mil for a journeyman Zero.

Only against lefties.

Typical dumb move.
He'd been hitting righties well over the last couple years, but he was also playing his home games at Fenway and he's what, 36? This is three times in a row it's worked out this way for this specific type of hitter (Pollock, Solano, Refsnyder). Turner was a rental so not counting him even though he was decent. Garver was supposed to play every day so he's not included here.

Maybe we should try NOT signing right-handed hitters who are teetering at the ends of their careers.

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Re: Wilson was over matched as the interim and still is.

Post by Michael K. » Tue Apr 21, 2026 7:45 pm

Don't worry, the UW Dawhouse guy doesn't just blame Wilson. This sounds an awful lot like what I have been saying. You don't remove bats and add fewer and become a better team.

A common adage in sports and life suggests that availability is the best ability. The Seattle Mariners, hindered by various injuries, are compelled to start Leo Rivas daily, a situation no serious contender should face.

Rivas is currently batting .151 with an OPS of .500 as he starts daily. Furthermore, the Mariners are struggling against left-handed pitching, with Rob Refsnyder hitting .042 and posting an OPS of .315.

These issues would be mitigated had the Mariners retained Eugenio Suarez. Suarez was well-liked by most fans until a peculiar online segment turned on him in favor of Ben Williamson.

While Suarez does strike out frequently, critics overlook his remarkable durability and consistent ability to drive in 90+ runs annually.

Over the previous three years, Suarez has missed only 7 games, rendering him a reliable starter.
Since 2017, excluding the shortened COVID season, Suarez's lowest RBI total was 79, with 7 of those 8 seasons resulting in 80+ RBIs, 5 seasons with 90+ RBIs, and 4 seasons with 100+ RBIs.

The primary objective is to score runs, and Suarez excels in this regard.

The Mariners have also underestimated the intangible benefits Suarez brings to the team. It is no coincidence that the team failed to make the playoffs for over 20 years and then secured a postseason berth in Suarez's first year.

In 2023, they narrowly missed the playoffs, winning 88 games. Without Suarez, the team won only 85 games, and in 2025, their record was 57-52 when they traded for him. The Mariners finished 33-20 with Suarez compared to 44-41 with Williamson.

Currently, they are 10-14 without Suarez. At the time, I criticized the Mariners for allowing Suarez to leave for a one-year, $15 million deal.
This season, Suarez has played in every game, batting .256 with an OPS of .732, 3 home runs, and 11 RBIs.

The Mariners could have still acquired Brendan Donovan and utilized him as a super utility player.

Instead, they are starting Rivas and giving crucial at-bats to Refsnyder.

While owner John Stanton has saved money, the team is now plagued by a flawed roster that could have been avoided. #seattle #fblifestyle #mariners
I know you guys all hate on RBI, but we wouldn't welcome Suarez with a .732 OPS, 3 Dingers and 11 RBI? Shit, the .256 average makes him a contact hitter in this lineup!

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