Projecting 2021

[Sexymarinersfan]

Remember when Boston was offering ANY 9 prospects in their Farm System for Felix?! Was it worth it. At the time I thought so. Hind sight is 20/20.

[D-train]

I don't see where you are getting second best..., You mean Mariner?...

Open the link. he is now at 54 WAR

[Hanjag]

And then others who get worse when they lose weight, Felix. I still believe he lost mph exactly when he lost weight.

Nobody likes to acknowledge that he got bad as soon as he came to camp having lost the "baby weight". Sucked ever since.

If anyone has time, look up articles of when Felix came to camp in the best shape of his life and compare it to when he started losing MPH on his fastball. I'd bet he lost average velocity beginning that season.

Go to fangraphs Felix has lost velocity every single year.

[D-train]

Here is a graph of his velo.
https://www.fangraphs.com/pitchfxo.aspx ... min=&ymax=

And wow, here is a piece from 2007 concerned about him losing weight.


https://www.seattlepi.com/sports/baseba ... 231690.php

And 2017 on how he is in great shape

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mar ... wn-season/

2018

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mar ... d-seasons/

[Michael K.]

its great to be in shape, its great that a ballplayer gets in shape, its great that Seager feels better, the issue in my mind is does it make a difference. Whenever I point that out everybody jumps on me for being against being in shape, I am not against it, but its just that I see a lot of guys getting in shape but still sucking at hitting a baseball

I feel ya brother. I hope you don't think I'm jumping on you. I still think it's a tad early to see if Kyle's transformation was worth it all or not. Someone made a great point about Daniel Vogelbach. History is lined full of out shape successful athletes. Tony Gwynn, John Kruk, Kirby Puckett, Cecil Fielder, Babe Ruth, Bartolo Colon!!!!

If a guy is a good hitter, and gets in better shape, he won't become a worse hitter. Seager might suck, but it won't be because his body is in better shape. That part of the debate is ludicrous. Shitty hitters are shitty hitters, but getting into shape won't hurt them as a player, and it may help them!

[Sexymarinersfan]

All he said was he transformed his body to let him be able to reach pitches that he couldn't get too last season. I don't know what the heck that means, but apparently he's under the assumption that he needed a body transformation to do so.

[Hanjag]

Speaking of Felix who is obviously done. He will be the second best pitcher never to start in the post season.

https://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/pos ... postseason

Was the play-off Angels vs M's back in 95 not considered a play-off game? Langston vs Johnson? Anyhow Felix had 52.1 WAR before losing 1.5 the last 2 years so Felix 50.6 vs Langston 50.2. Two very good pitchers and former M's.

[D-train]

Speaking of Felix who is obviously done. He will be the second best pitcher never to start in the post season.

https://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/pos ... postseason

Was the play-off Angels vs M's back in 95 not considered a play-off game? Langston vs Johnson? Anyhow Felix had 52.1 WAR before losing 1.5 the last 2 years so Felix 50.6 vs Langston 50.2. Two very good pitchers and former M's.

I just had that discussion today on twitter. Technically a one game playoff after a divisional tie is part of the regular season but in reality that was identical to a one game loser out WC game. Five teams were involved in 95 and 5 teams are involved in a typical season currently.

[Donn Beach]

it was a regular season game, the statistics count for the regular season

[D-train]

it was a regular season game, the statistics count for the regular season

WC games are more similar to those than a series.