Kirby vs Baltimore red birds G.T. 8/12/25

[Michael K.]

Salk is such a clown. Just before we scored 1 year yesterday vs. mid pitching he wrote this lengthy piece claiming that the current lineup is as good as anyone we have ever had including all of the 1995-2001 teams.

This morning he was basically promoted Dean freakin Kremer for the HOF. Said he was just fantastic and there was nothing our hitters could have done against him. lol

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/mlb/seat ... st/1819012

The park adjustment stuff threw me. Fine, maybe you can say that about the 1995 and 1997 teams. But come on, you are taking anything we can run out there now over the offensive production of those two teams?

Yeah, I kind of forgot about McLemore being the swiss army knife and Guillen the SS. IMO? That makes the 2001 team even more superior on offense.

C. Wilson or Cal? 2025 wins easy
1B. Olerud or Naylor? 2001 wins
2B. Boone or Young. 2001 wins
3B. Bell or Suarez. I say 2025, but not based on how Suarez is hitting right now.
SS. Guillen or J.P? 2001
LF. Javier or Randy? 2025
CF. Cameron or Julio? 2025 Julio playing like he is right now is one of the best all around players in the League. Julio in the Spring and Early Summer? NO.
RF. Ichiro or Dom? 2001 wins easy
DH. Edgar or Polanco? Come on....2001
UT. McLemore or Dilly. Come on....2001

So, 6 out of 10 to 2001. But the game isn't only played on offense. I'd say this starting rotation makes 2025 the better playoff team. But, I see how it is debatable.

[Donn Beach]

interesting, I had just pulled that out of my ass. But I can imagine its getting hyped to death back there on the radio. It was different eras. The deal is, if things go right, they could have a pretty decent team this season going into the playoffs. Certainly the most legit since 2002. If Gilbert is the pitcher of last season by the end of this one, if they could really ride him.

[DavidGee24]

The 2001 team overall blows away the 2025 team. Better hitting, better defense, not as good (but still good) starting pitching, better bullpen. The one difference that should favor the 2025 team is that they have at least four (and maybe five if Miller gets healthy) guys who are very capable of throwing shutdown ball in the postseason, whereas the 2001 team only had Freddy Garcia and Jamie Moyer. The 2025 team doesn't have an Aaron Sele-type who was a total punching bag in the 2001 postseason.

[Donn Beach]

The 2001 team overall blows away the 2025 team. Better hitting, better defense, not as good (but still good) starting pitching, better bullpen. The one difference that should favor the 2025 team is that they have at least four (and maybe five if Miller gets healthy) guys who are very capable of throwing shutdown ball in the postseason, whereas the 2001 team only had Freddy Garcia and Jamie Moyer. The 2025 team doesn't have an Aaron Sele-type who was a total punching bag in the 2001 postseason.

I'm also thinking i would take Gilbert or Woo over Moyer, or is that just my bias

[Captain 97]

2001 M's led the League in ERA and WHIP This years team is 4th in both categories. That team had a run differential of 300. Its not even remotely close.

[Donn Beach]

We aren't talking about the season, talking about the playoffs. Would you start Moyer over Gilbert or Woo in the first game of a WS?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

why, Jamie Moyer is your ace? That's always been the knock, the 2001 team wasn't built for the playoffs.

Garcia was the "ace". 3.08 ERA same as woo. He had a higher WHIP but allowed far fewer home runs (1 per 15 innings as opposed to Woo's 1 per 7).

[DavidGee24]

The 2001 team overall blows away the 2025 team. Better hitting, better defense, not as good (but still good) starting pitching, better bullpen. The one difference that should favor the 2025 team is that they have at least four (and maybe five if Miller gets healthy) guys who are very capable of throwing shutdown ball in the postseason, whereas the 2001 team only had Freddy Garcia and Jamie Moyer. The 2025 team doesn't have an Aaron Sele-type who was a total punching bag in the 2001 postseason.

I'm also thinking i would take Gilbert or Woo over Moyer, or is that just my bias

Moyer was lights-out in the 2001 postseason. 3 starts, 19 innings, 4 runs allowed, and against those really good Indian and Yankee lineups.

[Captain 97]

We aren't talking about the season, talking about the playoffs. Would you start Moyer over Gilbert or Woo in the first game of a WS?

Over Gilbert Yes. Woo is a toss up. 2001 Garcia was better than anything on the 2025 Staff.

2001 ERA+
Garcia 135
Moyer 120
Sele 115

2025 ERA+
Woo 122
Castillo 118
Gilbert 112

[Donn Beach]

why, Jamie Moyer is your ace? That's always been the knock, the 2001 team wasn't built for the playoffs.

Garcia was the "ace". 3.08 ERA same as woo. He had a higher WHIP but allowed far fewer home runs (1 per 15 innings as opposed to Woo's 1 per 7).

Moyer started game one of he championship series didn't he