So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by harmony » Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:45 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 12:09 am
harmony wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2025 11:12 pm
Pharmabro wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:33 am
I support the Polanco move. I am drinking the Kool-Aid that the injury affected his batting, and he is said to be healthy now. He didn't tank the same way that guys like Wong, AJ, etc did. He had a 93 OPS+ and still had 16 bombs. The 3 years before he came here, he was a 120 OPS+ guy and on one year he had 33 HR, 35 doubles, and 2 triples. He had 4.9 WAR, 98 RBI, and 97 runs. But 4 years ago he had an 82 OPS+.

I think Jorge has an up year with the bat.
Many fans are prone to recency bias, especially when the most recent season was the player's only season with the fan's favorite team.

FanGraphs projects Jorge Polanco with 1.9 WAR and a wRC+ of 103 in 126 games after Polanco last year posted 0.3 fWAR and a wRC+ of 92 in 118 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jorge ... tion=2B/SS
Is it recency bias or was Polanco's '24 a sign of his fall off?

Kolten Wong and AJ Pollock never recovered post their M's career nuke job.

If Polanco plays like shit will you come back and speak to how Fangraphs projections are stupid and not the gospel you pretend them to be?
We all have the privilege of assigning appropriate weight to the projections of established systems (plural) and to the bald opinions of some dude on the internet.

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by harmony » Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:45 pm

Recent blogs have discussed the possibility of the Mariners bringing back Ty France:

https://www.mariners-consigliere.com/p/ ... dium=email

https://sodomojo.com/mariners-should-re ... co-signing

FanGraphs projects France with a wRC+ of 109 and 0.6 WAR in 65 games while projecting Justin Turner with a wRC+ of 105 and 0.7 WAR in 122 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ty-fr ... #dashboard

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/justi ... #dashboard

Steamer gives France the edge as well but ZiPS projects France with a wRC+ of 103 and 0.9 WAR in 136 games while projecting Turner with a wRC+ of 112 and 1.0 WAR in 118 games.

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by bpj » Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:48 pm

harmony wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:45 pm
Recent blogs have discussed the possibility of the Mariners bringing back Ty France:

https://www.mariners-consigliere.com/p/ ... dium=email

https://sodomojo.com/mariners-should-re ... co-signing

FanGraphs projects France with a wRC+ of 109 and 0.6 WAR in 65 games while projecting Justin Turner with a wRC+ of 105 and 0.7 WAR in 122 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ty-fr ... #dashboard

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/justi ... #dashboard

Steamer gives France the edge as well but ZiPS projects France with a wRC+ of 103 and 0.9 WAR in 136 games while projecting Turner with a wRC+ of 112 and 1.0 WAR in 118 games.
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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by D-train » Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:07 pm

harmony wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:45 pm
Recent blogs have discussed the possibility of the Mariners bringing back Ty France:

https://www.mariners-consigliere.com/p/ ... dium=email

https://sodomojo.com/mariners-should-re ... co-signing

FanGraphs projects France with a wRC+ of 109 and 0.6 WAR in 65 games while projecting Justin Turner with a wRC+ of 105 and 0.7 WAR in 122 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ty-fr ... #dashboard

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/justi ... #dashboard

Steamer gives France the edge as well but ZiPS projects France with a wRC+ of 103 and 0.9 WAR in 136 games while projecting Turner with a wRC+ of 112 and 1.0 WAR in 118 games.
What a bold suggestion. How and why would you fit France, the Mitches and Solano on the roster. Do we really need three shitty DHs?
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Post by GL_Storm » Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:18 pm

This team is unstoppable. World Series here we come!

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by harmony » Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:19 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:07 pm
harmony wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 5:45 pm
Recent blogs have discussed the possibility of the Mariners bringing back Ty France:

https://www.mariners-consigliere.com/p/ ... dium=email

https://sodomojo.com/mariners-should-re ... co-signing

FanGraphs projects France with a wRC+ of 109 and 0.6 WAR in 65 games while projecting Justin Turner with a wRC+ of 105 and 0.7 WAR in 122 games:

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/ty-fr ... #dashboard

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/justi ... #dashboard

Steamer gives France the edge as well but ZiPS projects France with a wRC+ of 103 and 0.9 WAR in 136 games while projecting Turner with a wRC+ of 112 and 1.0 WAR in 118 games.
What a bold suggestion. How and why would you fit France, the Mitches and Solano on the roster. Do we really need three shitty DHs?
No suggestion endorsed but some fans might find the France/Turner comp interesting. ;)

Or not.

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by Juliooooo » Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:11 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:07 pm

What a bold suggestion. How and why would you fit France, the Mitches and Solano on the roster. Do we really need three shitty DHs?
What would their WAR be if you took each of their best season and added them together?
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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by DavidGee24 » Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:24 pm

Juliooooo wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:11 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2025 6:07 pm

What a bold suggestion. How and why would you fit France, the Mitches and Solano on the roster. Do we really need three shitty DHs?
What would their WAR be if you took each of their best season and added them together?
"If France and the Mitches bounce back, which they should because that usually is what happens, those four could produce a WAR of up to 16.7! And if Solano stays healthy for more than half the year, add another 1.5! I'm a certifiable GENIUS!"

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by harmony » Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:59 pm

Tne projected PECOTA standings have the Seattle Mariners with the American League's sixth-best record:

https://www.baseballprospectus.com/standings/

Barely.

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Re: So it begins, The official Hot Stove League Thread 2024-25 Offseason

Post by AZOldDawg » Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:57 pm

We are arguably the worst hitting team in the bigs and what do we do but sign another dog shit pitcher. Go figure
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