2022-23 Offseason Transactions and Rumors

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:36 pm

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Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:22 pm
https://www.stitcher.com/show/the-top-s ... wlandsmith

RRS believes that demoting JP to 2B will have a negative effect on the player and clubhouse because he's a "leader." Makes the injury excuse for JP Crawford when it comes to defense, says his struggles defensively seeped into his offense. Says JP should protect his value and say "no" to the positional change. Says that changing positions "never ends well and will have consequences." - Bleh. He referred to Jose Lopez having to move from 2B to 3B as a "demotion" that hurt Lopez... how is moving Lopez to 3rd a demotion lol? Called Lopez a "different dude" when he moved. So what?

He believes that Jesse Winker will work this off season to get his ass in gear due to his '22. He referred to Winker as a "class clown" that is only tolerable when he's performing. He said Winker, after making the All Star team in '21, got "comfortable," which is "the worst thing that can happen to an athlete." He believes Winker will spend the off season gaining strength and will return to form w. thump.
Say NO?????? He is getting paid $10M a season. If the want him to be the BP catcher he has to do it.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:39 pm

Link to the Bowden article:

https://archive.ph/w9udh

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by harmony » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:42 pm

harmony wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:53 pm
Columnist (and former MLB exec) Jim Bowden at The Athletic lists the Mariners as the best fit for shortstop Xander Bogaerts:

https://theathletic.com/3713969/2022/10 ... new-teams/

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Bogaerts would be a terrific fit, on and off the field, due to his strong veteran presence and leadership skills. The Mariners could move J.P. Crawford to second base to make room for him, or move Suárez to DH and play Bogaerts at third base if he’s willing to change positions.
Bowden projects Bogaerts with a seven-year, $196 million contract.
FWIW Xander Bogaerts is a year younger than Robinson Cano was in December 2013 when the Mariners signed Cano to a 10-year, $240 million contract.

At the time Cano had posted 35.8 fWAR in 1,374 games with the Yankees while Bogaerts has posted 34.2 fWAR in 1,264 games with the Red Sox.

Interesting comp of middle infielders from the American League East.

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:44 pm

harmony wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:42 pm
harmony wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:53 pm
Columnist (and former MLB exec) Jim Bowden at The Athletic lists the Mariners as the best fit for shortstop Xander Bogaerts:

https://theathletic.com/3713969/2022/10 ... new-teams/

Subscription required.

An excerpt:
Bogaerts would be a terrific fit, on and off the field, due to his strong veteran presence and leadership skills. The Mariners could move J.P. Crawford to second base to make room for him, or move Suárez to DH and play Bogaerts at third base if he’s willing to change positions.
Bowden projects Bogaerts with a seven-year, $196 million contract.
FWIW Xander Bogaerts is a year younger than Robinson Cano was in December 2013 when the Mariners signed Cano to a 10-year, $240 million contract.

At the time Cano had posted 35.8 fWAR in 1,374 games with the Yankees while Bogaerts has posted 34.2 fWAR in 1,264 games with the Red Sox.

Interesting comp of middle infielders from the American League East.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:46 pm

The similarities in WAR w. Cano playing 2B should tell you that Cano was the much better player. Which he was.

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:47 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:46 pm
The similarities in WAR w. Cano playing 2B should tell you that Cano was the much better player. Which he was.
Nope. He is penalized for not playing SS which makes him less valuable. Better hitter? Sure.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:55 pm

Anyway, the lineup lacks a bat to be feared.

While all the SS's have good bats, none of them scare an opposing team.

When Trout, Alvarez, Judge come to the dish it makes ya nervous.

I want the M's to have a bat like that and I don't understand paying a SS $30+ million AAV when they don't provide that.

The 4x Championship Series teams didn't have star SS's. But they all had a superstar bat capable of hanging 1.000 OPS: Machado, Harper, Judge, Alvarez.

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:59 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:55 pm
Anyway, the lineup lacks a bat to be feared.

While all the SS's have good bats, none of them scare an opposing team.

When Trout, Alvarez, Judge come to the dish it makes ya nervous.

I want the M's to have a bat like that and I don't understand paying a SS $30+ million AAV when they don't provide that.

The 4x Championship Series teams didn't have star SS's. But they all had a superstar bat capable of hanging 1.000 OPS: Machado, Harper, Judge, Alvarez.
Yep, the SS's are secondary if they don't go after Judge.
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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by harmony » Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:04 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:44 pm
harmony wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:42 pm
harmony wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:53 pm
Columnist (and former MLB exec) Jim Bowden at The Athletic lists the Mariners as the best fit for shortstop Xander Bogaerts:

https://theathletic.com/3713969/2022/10 ... new-teams/

Subscription required.

An excerpt:


Bowden projects Bogaerts with a seven-year, $196 million contract.
FWIW Xander Bogaerts is a year younger than Robinson Cano was in December 2013 when the Mariners signed Cano to a 10-year, $240 million contract.

At the time Cano had posted 35.8 fWAR in 1,374 games with the Yankees while Bogaerts has posted 34.2 fWAR in 1,264 games with the Red Sox.

Interesting comp of middle infielders from the American League East.
So columnist Jim Bowden's projected seven-year AAV of $28 million for Xander Bogaerts comes in under the inflation-adjusted $30+ million AAV for Robinson Cano.

Inflation for the next seven years may diverge from the inflation of the past decade. And, of course, we're not comparing lump-sum payments in 2014 and 2022.

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Re: 2022-23 Offseason transactions and Rumors

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Oct 27, 2022 5:15 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:59 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Thu Oct 27, 2022 4:55 pm
Anyway, the lineup lacks a bat to be feared.

While all the SS's have good bats, none of them scare an opposing team.

When Trout, Alvarez, Judge come to the dish it makes ya nervous.

I want the M's to have a bat like that and I don't understand paying a SS $30+ million AAV when they don't provide that.

The 4x Championship Series teams didn't have star SS's. But they all had a superstar bat capable of hanging 1.000 OPS: Machado, Harper, Judge, Alvarez.
Yep, the SS's are secondary if they don't go after Judge.
Not according to Dipoto and 95% of fans and 90% of Seattle media.

They think adding a star SS is what thrusts us into true WS contention.

I just sit here laughing.

What's a .820 OPS SS gonna do to a lineup that was mediocre at best? People can't seem to wrap their minds around the true answer: "NOT MUCH."

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