That is the one thing I hate. Murphy was a 140s OPS+ guy last year and a 116 OPS+ as a Mariner. He was only 4M. Seby Z had a 108 OPS+ year but is like a 72 OPS+ career. But in 2023 he had a 149 OPS+ in 17 PAs after a 37 OPS+ with Chicago. There is a tiny chance that Seby is good but I would feel so much better if we had Murphy in there vs that clown.ice99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:54 pmYes, everyone knows that Zavala was part of a payroll dump.D-train wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:17 pmWhich proves my hypothesis that the "cut down on strikeouts" nonsense was just a ploy to cut payroll.
Outgoing K%s
Jarred Kelenic 31.7%
Teoscar Hernández 31.1%
Eugenio Suárez 30.8%
Tom Murphy 27.7%
José Caballero 23.6%
Average: 29.0%
Incoming K%
Zavala 36.3%
Raley 31.5%
Haniger 28.4%
Garver 23.8%
Urias 23.2%
Average: 28.6%
I was told by someone that the last 3 years are important.
Here's the last 3 year stats. Other than Raley (and Zavala), the next 5 players traded out had the higher Ks.
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Luke Raley for Jose C
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Yep, that’s why I made the observationD-train wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:17 pmWhich proves my hypothesis that the "cut down on strikeouts" nonsense was just a ploy to cut payroll.
Outgoing K%s
Jarred Kelenic 31.7%
Teoscar Hernández 31.1%
Eugenio Suárez 30.8%
Tom Murphy 27.7%
José Caballero 23.6%
Average: 29.0%
Incoming K%
Zavala 36.3%
Raley 31.5%
Haniger 28.4%
Garver 23.8%
Urias 23.2%
Average: 28.6%
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C
It does but he is a lefty so should be less T mobile impact. Also his good D and speed will mitigate any offensive downslide.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:06 pmI also had that thought come up when I saw the Wander News keep coming out over the last week or so. But, is Raley a 30 HR/20 SB per 600 PAs that he showed he was pacing for last year?D-train wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 1:00 pmI suppose we should be thankful for Franco's fetish for fourteen yo's.
Holy shitRays trade Luke Raley and Andrew Kittredge. Here’s why
Jose Caballero gives the team protection up the middle as Wander Franco faces an uncertain future. Richie Palacios replaces Raley’s left-handed bat
The Rays are comfortable with Caballero its opening day shortstop, Neander said.
“We made this trade confident he can play shortstop,” Neander said. “His makeup, his work ethic and ability over there. He can play it and play it very well. ... He’ll have a shot to take it out of the gates.”
I don't know, but that 13% line-drive stat and his last 2 months give reason for pause.
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C
Yep Murphy over Seby and Geno over Urias is only +$12M and we are still $10M under 2023 payroll. Arg.Pharmabro wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:28 pmThat is the one thing I hate. Murphy was a 140s OPS+ guy last year and a 116 OPS+ as a Mariner. He was only 4M. Seby Z had a 108 OPS+ year but is like a 72 OPS+ career. But in 2023 he had a 149 OPS+ in 17 PAs after a 37 OPS+ with Chicago. There is a tiny chance that Seby is good but I would feel so much better if we had Murphy in there vs that clown.ice99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:54 pmYes, everyone knows that Zavala was part of a payroll dump.D-train wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:17 pm
Which proves my hypothesis that the "cut down on strikeouts" nonsense was just a ploy to cut payroll.
Outgoing K%s
Jarred Kelenic 31.7%
Teoscar Hernández 31.1%
Eugenio Suárez 30.8%
Tom Murphy 27.7%
José Caballero 23.6%
Average: 29.0%
Incoming K%
Zavala 36.3%
Raley 31.5%
Haniger 28.4%
Garver 23.8%
Urias 23.2%
Average: 28.6%
I was told by someone that the last 3 years are important.
Here's the last 3 year stats. Other than Raley (and Zavala), the next 5 players traded out had the higher Ks.
MovesK.PNG
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C
Lots of foul tip strike 3s.D-train wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:04 pmHow do you improve contact without improving on Ks????Donn Beach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:21 amIs this nitpicking? Dipoto doesn't say strikeouts, he says contact. It's the media that seems to have been saying strikeouts. And Garver makes good contact.
On not offering Teo the qualifier“Despite the fact he didn’t have a great start to his season, he put up his numbers and he contributed down the stretch as much as any player we had. But we felt like this was an opportunity to kind of take a new look at the way our team is built. If there was a reason why we were sitting home in the postseason, we felt like it was probably the inability to consistently make contact.”
Garver's contact, chase rates
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb
How he describes himself as a hitter“I tend to control the strike zone,” he said. “I like to look for pitches I can hit hard and I usually don’t sacrifice weak contact just to put a ball in play. Like I’m not going to swing at something just to swing at it. And you know, things go well. I’m a line drive hitter that can that can hit a few out of the park and I can move the ball around the field a little bit. I’m not a one-dimensional hitter by any means.”

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Captain 97 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:26 pmLots of foul tip strike 3s.D-train wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:04 pmHow do you improve contact without improving on Ks????Donn Beach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:21 amIs this nitpicking? Dipoto doesn't say strikeouts, he says contact. It's the media that seems to have been saying strikeouts. And Garver makes good contact.
On not offering Teo the qualifier
Garver's contact, chase rates
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-p ... itting-mlb
How he describes himself as a hitter
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C
That's why I included garver's savant page. For instance his barrel rate of 83. He tends to make solid contact when he hits a ball. I'm looking now and teo's barrel rate is about the same. The one area that Garver stands out is chase rate.
Re: Luke Raley for Jose C
There are two ways to look at your fav team. Analytically and on a personal level (are they easy to root for and likeable)
I think they are a little better when looking at them analytically and better in terms of likability.
Out:
JK
Teo
In
Mitch
Raley
I think they are a little better when looking at them analytically and better in terms of likability.
Out:
JK
Teo
In
Mitch
Raley
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Re: Luke Raley for Jose C
Even with similar strikeout rates is Garver the better hitter? That is compared to Teo
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OPS+ Career and 2023Donn Beach wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:53 pmEven with similar strikeout rates is Garver the better hitter? That is compared to Teo
Teo 118 106
Garver 123 134
Yes.
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