Another trade deadline plan.

[Bil522]

His contract isn't that outlandish and is in the range of contracts they've been comfortable offering.

I do wonder again... what were the terms of Jerry's extension? Will he be a bit more brash if he is indeed on a short leash? He claims they will be giving him financial flexibility to make the team better.

Ummm, we have forgotten one salient point in the Matt Olson discussion....he used to play for the A's so he has a fairly decent track record at T-Mobile and it ain't that good. In 45 games and 181 plate appearances, he is batting .207 with a .741 OPS. It is the 4th worst stadium he hits in. Top that with an older player making $22mill/ year and it is doubtful the M's are going after him.

Most players dont get their second contract until about age 30... he just turned 31.

A 45 game sample from 4 years ago seems like a silly way to measure whether he'd be good w. the M's. Cal has a .972 OPS at T-Mobile this year. Prior to this season, it was like a career .650...

Again, these trades are never intended to say that this is exactly what the M's have up their sleeve. They are intended to look at positions the M's may be looking to upgrade and offer up solutions/spark discussion on it.

As it sits, if Raley can play a good 1B and Solano continues to hit, 3B, bullpen help, and potentially a right-handed DH for depth seem like easy areas for upgrade.

I hope it's Geno... and Corbin Carroll just went down for them adding to a pretty serious injured list... but they also have a pretty easy schedule heading into the break. So who knows.

Geno just makes too much sense given his familiarity with the clubhouse and direct positional need.

When has this front office ever made sense?

[Donn Beach]

His contract isn't that outlandish and is in the range of contracts they've been comfortable offering.

I do wonder again... what were the terms of Jerry's extension? Will he be a bit more brash if he is indeed on a short leash? He claims they will be giving him financial flexibility to make the team better.

Ummm, we have forgotten one salient point in the Matt Olson discussion....he used to play for the A's so he has a fairly decent track record at T-Mobile and it ain't that good. In 45 games and 181 plate appearances, he is batting .207 with a .741 OPS. It is the 4th worst stadium he hits in. Top that with an older player making $22mill/ year and it is doubtful the M's are going after him.

Most players dont get their second contract until about age 30... he just turned 31.

A 45 game sample from 4 years ago seems like a silly way to measure whether he'd be good w. the M's. Cal has a .972 OPS at T-Mobile this year. Prior to this season, it was like a career .650...

Again, these trades are never intended to say that this is exactly what the M's have up their sleeve. They are intended to look at positions the M's may be looking to upgrade and offer up solutions/spark discussion on it.

As it sits, if Raley can play a good 1B and Solano continues to hit, 3B, bullpen help, and potentially a right-handed DH for depth seem like easy areas for upgrade.

I hope it's Geno... and Corbin Carroll just went down for them adding to a pretty serious injured list... but they also have a pretty easy schedule heading into the break. So who knows.

Geno just makes too much sense given his familiarity with the clubhouse and direct positional need.

Read this article awhile ago, current analytics has really gotten beyond relying on splits

These days sophisticated tracking systems like PitchFX and Statcast record pretty much everything that happens on the field: how much a pitch moves, how quickly an outfielder takes his first step, how hard a catcher throws down to second base on a stolen base attempt. You name it, and there’s a number for it.

R.J. Anderson recently spoke to several folks within baseball to get an idea of how teams are acquiring and using their data in the post Moneyball era. There are, surprisingly, many outside vendors involved. This nugget from Anderson’s piece stood out to me:

“Right now, we have teams out there, who, when they evaluate a player, they’re taking their 2017 schedule, they are prototyping the opposing pitcher array -- perhaps, if they’re really sophisticated, even assuming what the seventh, eighth, and ninth innings look like against those teams -- and they’re simulating a batter’s performance, a prospective acquisition, his performance against that pitching opposition, in those ballparks,” Gennaro said. “Because they’re not looking at his stats, they’re looking at his exit velocity and his launch angle.

“If you hit the ball 86 mph to let’s call it straight-away right field at Yankee Stadium at a 32-degree launch angle, depending on the wind, that probably drops into the first couple of rows. If you hit that same velocity and launch angle at AT&T Park, Hunter Pence is taking two steps in to field it. So, all of those things are being incorporated into the analytics of the most sophisticated teams.”

That’s wild. Teams are essentially modeling an entire season using all the available data to get an idea how a player may perform for them. These are still human beings of course, so nothing is 100 percent predictive, but if you have the data available, why wouldn’t you use it to try to forecast performance?

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/how- ... advantage/

[Pharmabro]

Mariners trade C Mitch Garver, RHP Michael Morales, RHP Casey Legumina to the Orioles for RHP Seranthony Dominguez

I don't know anything about Dominguez, but there is not a lot of pain here in the prospects given up. I might have chosen to try to get one of their 30-Y-O lefty BP guys. Or tried to get someone with more sustained success like Aroldis Chapman.

Why? The Orioles have lost both of their catchers to injury through at the least the AS break. Not that they'll be trying to win, but they need a body to catch for them. They also need starting pitching depth in their farm in the worst of ways, especially arms that will be ready soon. For the M's, Dominguez is a pure rental who is having a solid year for the O's w. 11 K's per 9 and a 3.52 ERA. The M's add another hard thrower to the back of their bullpen for the playoff push while also making room for Harry Ford to finish the year with the MLB roster.

Mariners trade LHP Brandyn Garcia, RHP Ashton Izzi to the Diamondbacks for 3B Eugenio Suarez

This one hurts: Garcia and Izzy have potential but Eugenio does a lot, He is a power hitting dude that has had success here in the past and he is having an up season. Despite the home numbers pushing his numbers I would still be up for it

Why? Welcome back Geno for his poetic return. The Dbacks face a daunting climb in a top-heavy NL playoff race and just lost 2 arms from their rotation for the season. They could choose to sell and Geno would be a valuable trade chip to get some pitching back in return. The M's can't afford to roll with Williamson's bat the rest of the way, and add some serious thump and vibes back with Geno as a pure rental.

Mariners trade OF Luke Raley, RHP Gregory Santos to the Braves for 1B Matt Olson, RHP Pierce Johnson and cash

OUCH! Luke Raley is a really good player for us, and he is controlled, and hungry, and seems to always have a smile on his face. (One of my faves). Santos has Big potential but has been hurt with us. Olson would be an every-day player and add star power to the line-up. I'd prefer an all-prospect package

Why? This might sound insane... but perhaps the M's think Raley is expendable and Canzone is a long-term solution to platoon alongside Victor Robles in right field. Perhaps the Braves need a small reset. ATL need corner OF help badly and add Santos as a controlled replacement for Johnson. The M's add one of the best 1B's in baseball on an expensive, but somewhat affordable deal. Olson is on pace for another 6+ WAR season and is owed $22M a year until 2029... his age 35 season. Johnson is a solid reliever pitching to a 3.18 FIP with a $7M club option next season.

Roster:

1. JP Crawford SS
2. Julio Rodriguez CF
3. Cal Raleigh C
4. Matt Olson 1B
5. Geno Suarez 3B
6. Randy Arozarena LF
7. Jorge Polanco DH
8. Dom Canzone RF
9. Cole Young/Dylan Moore 2B

Bench: Donovan Solano 1B, Harry Ford C, Miles Mastruboner Util

1. Logan Gilbert
2. Bryan Woo
3. George Kirby
4. Luis Castillo
5. Emerson Hancock/Bryce Miller (whoever)

CL: Andres Munoz
HL: Matt Brash, Gabe Spierer
ML: Carlos Vargas, Pierce Johnson, Seranthony Dominguez, Eduard Bazardo, Jackson Kowar

Overall, good job. Thanks for your work.

[Seattle or Bust]

Mariners trade C Mitch Garver, RHP Michael Morales, RHP Casey Legumina to the Orioles for RHP Seranthony Dominguez

I don't know anything about Dominguez, but there is not a lot of pain here in the prospects given up. I might have chosen to try to get one of their 30-Y-O lefty BP guys. Or tried to get someone with more sustained success like Aroldis Chapman.

Why? The Orioles have lost both of their catchers to injury through at the least the AS break. Not that they'll be trying to win, but they need a body to catch for them. They also need starting pitching depth in their farm in the worst of ways, especially arms that will be ready soon. For the M's, Dominguez is a pure rental who is having a solid year for the O's w. 11 K's per 9 and a 3.52 ERA. The M's add another hard thrower to the back of their bullpen for the playoff push while also making room for Harry Ford to finish the year with the MLB roster.

Mariners trade LHP Brandyn Garcia, RHP Ashton Izzi to the Diamondbacks for 3B Eugenio Suarez

This one hurts: Garcia and Izzy have potential but Eugenio does a lot, He is a power hitting dude that has had success here in the past and he is having an up season. Despite the home numbers pushing his numbers I would still be up for it

Why? Welcome back Geno for his poetic return. The Dbacks face a daunting climb in a top-heavy NL playoff race and just lost 2 arms from their rotation for the season. They could choose to sell and Geno would be a valuable trade chip to get some pitching back in return. The M's can't afford to roll with Williamson's bat the rest of the way, and add some serious thump and vibes back with Geno as a pure rental.

Mariners trade OF Luke Raley, RHP Gregory Santos to the Braves for 1B Matt Olson, RHP Pierce Johnson and cash

OUCH! Luke Raley is a really good player for us, and he is controlled, and hungry, and seems to always have a smile on his face. (One of my faves). Santos has Big potential but has been hurt with us. Olson would be an every-day player and add star power to the line-up. I'd prefer an all-prospect package

Why? This might sound insane... but perhaps the M's think Raley is expendable and Canzone is a long-term solution to platoon alongside Victor Robles in right field. Perhaps the Braves need a small reset. ATL need corner OF help badly and add Santos as a controlled replacement for Johnson. The M's add one of the best 1B's in baseball on an expensive, but somewhat affordable deal. Olson is on pace for another 6+ WAR season and is owed $22M a year until 2029... his age 35 season. Johnson is a solid reliever pitching to a 3.18 FIP with a $7M club option next season.

Roster:

1. JP Crawford SS
2. Julio Rodriguez CF
3. Cal Raleigh C
4. Matt Olson 1B
5. Geno Suarez 3B
6. Randy Arozarena LF
7. Jorge Polanco DH
8. Dom Canzone RF
9. Cole Young/Dylan Moore 2B

Bench: Donovan Solano 1B, Harry Ford C, Miles Mastruboner Util

1. Logan Gilbert
2. Bryan Woo
3. George Kirby
4. Luis Castillo
5. Emerson Hancock/Bryce Miller (whoever)

CL: Andres Munoz
HL: Matt Brash, Gabe Spierer
ML: Carlos Vargas, Pierce Johnson, Seranthony Dominguez, Eduard Bazardo, Jackson Kowar

Overall, good job. Thanks for your work.

Thx.

The point of trade 1 is to offload Garver and land an OK reliever making some money on his own in the process. The O's have some VERY good relievers, but Garver wouldn't be included in a trade for them.

Funny how beauty is in the eye of the beholder for trade 2. I agree and think the trade would be pretty even.

In trade 3 I think it's doubtful that the Braves give up MLB talent without getting MLB talent back. They are very much in their contention window still and need MLB corner OF help. They likely aren't interested in pure prospect packages.

[Captain 97]

Any interest in trying to grab both Naylor and Suarez at the same time? BTV has them at 4.6 and 5.6 in value. I wonder if Something like Pete 6.5, Locklear 2.4 and a few other low level prospects in the 1-2 value range could get it done? Adding a 142 and a 125 OPS+ to this lineup and getting Williamson, Mastrobuoni, Solano & Garver out of the regular rotation would be huge.

1. SS JP 136
2. CF Julio 113
3. C Cal 202
4. 3b Eugenio 142
5. RF Raley 131
6. LF Randy 125
7. 1b Naylor 125
8. DH Polanco 116
9. 2B Moore/Young 104/65

Canzone can spell Raley, Randy and Polanco to get some ab's as long as he is still hitting.

[Donn Beach]

Any interest in trying to grab both Naylor and Suarez at the same time? BTV has them at 4.6 and 5.6 in value. I wonder if Something like Pete 6.5, Locklear 2.4 and a few other low level prospects in the 1-2 value range could get it done? Adding a 142 and a 125 OPS+ to this lineup and getting Williamson, Mastrobuoni, Solano & Garver out of the regular rotation would be huge.

1. SS JP 136
2. CF Julio 113
3. C Cal 202
4. 3b Eugenio 142
5. RF Raley 131
6. LF Randy 125
7. 1b Naylor 125
8. DH Polanco 116
9. 2B Moore/Young 104/65

Canzone can spell Raley, Randy and Polanco to get some ab's as long as he is still hitting.

Who's Pete?

[Captain 97]

Sorry left out an e. Tai Peete 1st round pick form 2023.

[Seattle or Bust]

Any interest in trying to grab both Naylor and Suarez at the same time? BTV has them at 4.6 and 5.6 in value. I wonder if Something like Pete 6.5, Locklear 2.4 and a few other low level prospects in the 1-2 value range could get it done? Adding a 142 and a 125 OPS+ to this lineup and getting Williamson, Mastrobuoni, Solano & Garver out of the regular rotation would be huge.

1. SS JP 136
2. CF Julio 113
3. C Cal 202
4. 3b Eugenio 142
5. RF Raley 131
6. LF Randy 125
7. 1b Naylor 125
8. DH Polanco 116
9. 2B Moore/Young 104/65

Canzone can spell Raley, Randy and Polanco to get some ab's as long as he is still hitting.

I was under the impression a few months back that Raley was going to be out for much longer than he ended up being out. Since Raley can play 1B, I'm not sure there's a significant need for another left-handed 1B (which is why I traded Raley in the proposal) so long as Raley is performing and Canzone is doing nice things in right field.

If anything, prior to Raley coming back, they needed a right-handed 1B to replace Solano. But now that he's hitting and Raley is back, I'm not sure 1B is much of a need.

From a positional standpoint, I think 3B is now the clearest need for improvement... followed by a right-handed DH.

[AZOldDawg]

Any interest in trying to grab both Naylor and Suarez at the same time? BTV has them at 4.6 and 5.6 in value. I wonder if Something like Pete 6.5, Locklear 2.4 and a few other low level prospects in the 1-2 value range could get it done? Adding a 142 and a 125 OPS+ to this lineup and getting Williamson, Mastrobuoni, Solano & Garver out of the regular rotation would be huge.

1. SS JP 136
2. CF Julio 113
3. C Cal 202
4. 3b Eugenio 142
5. RF Raley 131
6. LF Randy 125
7. 1b Naylor 125
8. DH Polanco 116
9. 2B Moore/Young 104/65

Canzone can spell Raley, Randy and Polanco to get some ab's as long as he is still hitting.

I was under the impression a few months back that Raley was going to be out for much longer than he ended up being out. Since Raley can play 1B, I'm not sure there's a significant need for another left-handed 1B (which is why I traded Raley in the proposal) so long as Raley is performing and Canzone is doing nice things in right field.

If anything, prior to Raley coming back, they needed a right-handed 1B to replace Solano. But now that he's hitting and Raley is back, I'm not sure 1B is much of a need.

From a positional standpoint, I think 3B is now the clearest need for improvement... followed by a right-handed DH.

And a left handed power reliever please

[Lamda]

Any interest in trying to grab both Naylor and Suarez at the same time? BTV has them at 4.6 and 5.6 in value. I wonder if Something like Pete 6.5, Locklear 2.4 and a few other low level prospects in the 1-2 value range could get it done? Adding a 142 and a 125 OPS+ to this lineup and getting Williamson, Mastrobuoni, Solano & Garver out of the regular rotation would be huge.

1. SS JP 136
2. CF Julio 113
3. C Cal 202
4. 3b Eugenio 142
5. RF Raley 131
6. LF Randy 125
7. 1b Naylor 125
8. DH Polanco 116
9. 2B Moore/Young 104/65

Canzone can spell Raley, Randy and Polanco to get some ab's as long as he is still hitting.

I like it - was thinking we need 2 bats but echo the feeling on Raley - since he's hitting now as well as Canzone - I doubt we see a move, unless its for a 3B, until the end of July to see if Raley/Canzone are legit or not. Could get Suarez soon and then Naylor later if need be.