It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

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DanielVogelbach
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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by DanielVogelbach » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:12 pm

Records at Trade Deadline:

2024 Dodgers: 63-44
2023 Rangers: 60-46
2022 Astros: 67-36
2021 Braves: 51-51
2020 Dodgers: 26-10
2019 Nationals: 56-50
2018 Red Sox: 75-33
2017 Astros: 68-36
2016 Cubs: 61-40
2015 Royals: 61-38
2014 Giants: 58-50
2013 Red Sox: 63-43
2012 Giants: 55-48
2011 Cardinals: 56-49
2010 Giants: 59-46
2009 Yankees: 61-42
2008 Phillies: 57-49
2007 Red Sox: 64-39
2006 Cardinals: 58-45
2005 White Sox: 67-38
2004 Red Sox: 56-46
2003 Marlins: 56-50

2002 Angels: 65-40
2001 Diamondbacks: 61-44
2000 Yankees: 54-46

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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by Pharmabro » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:17 pm

Bednar off the board.

Where is our leverage arm :?:

:idea:
Need

seth8734
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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by seth8734 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:20 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:17 pm
Bednar off the board.

Where is our leverage arm :?:

:idea:
Need
Fairbanks or Doval. Stay away from Santana he has an attitude towards fans. Don't need that kinda vibe.

DanielVogelbach
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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by DanielVogelbach » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:23 pm

Call it 2 out of 10 or 8 out of 25. It's significant, and a lot of it is because of what happens at the trade deadline.

DanielVogelbach
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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by DanielVogelbach » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:24 pm

If Geno is able to keep up his home runs, the need for a leverage arm won't be as critical. Anyone can come in to nail down the 5 run save.

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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by seth8734 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:27 pm

Cant believe we are gonna have Cantzone play against lefties. Wish Moore did not go to shit. Wonder what happened with Castro. Not a good enough player to ask for major haul.

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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by Michael K. » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:34 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:55 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 6:43 pm
Mariner fans, where 20% is satisfactory. You just can't make this shit up. I wonder if when NFL play callers are looking for a go to play, they call the one that works two out of ten times? I bet that when looking for an out pitch, Cal calls the one that the Pitcher executes two times out of ten. I bet you if Steph Curry could only hit two out of every ten shots, he'd be a better basketball player. I could go on forever, but it's just too stupid to spend anymore time on.
The false equivalency on this one is so rich.

Two out of the last ten times a team with a mediocre record at the deadline ultimately won the championship. Do you really not know how to interpret that?
What I need to have interpreted is why you think the fact that it has happened twice in ten years makes it a good strategy!? I say they needed to improve the team before digging the hole, and you point to the fact that their strategy has had a twenty percent success rate in the past ten years as though that proves them right. It doesn't.

Common logic would say if the team was better day one, they'd be in a better position now. Jerry actually said financial restriction limited what they could do this off season. So, knowing those two things, you still argue that this strategy is a good one. Again, why? No one is saying it can't or won't work, just that if they hadn't dug this hole, they wouldn't need to be climbing out of it.

I just don't understand how you can repeatedly defend bullshit that lead to the longest playoff draught in North America, and then lead to two more years of missing the playoffs, only to be right back here once again at the deadline. Didn't someone just point out that before the "rebuild", they were in a very similar position at the trade deadline? The tore it down, saved money, then cried poor when it came time to spend money to make the team better. You can be fine with that all you want, but for fucking crying out loud, please stop saying the fact that a similar strategy worked twice in a decade makes it the right strategy.

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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by Southpaw773 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:36 pm

The starting pitching has GOT to pick up the pace and then go 6+ and stop all the crap starts as of late from all of them

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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by DavidGee24 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:38 pm

DanielVogelbach wrote:
Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:12 pm
Records at Trade Deadline:

2024 Dodgers: 63-44
2023 Rangers: 60-46
2022 Astros: 67-36
2021 Braves: 51-51
2020 Dodgers: 26-10
2019 Nationals: 56-50
2018 Red Sox: 75-33
2017 Astros: 68-36
2016 Cubs: 61-40
2015 Royals: 61-38
2014 Giants: 58-50
2013 Red Sox: 63-43
2012 Giants: 55-48
2011 Cardinals: 56-49
2010 Giants: 59-46
2009 Yankees: 61-42
2008 Phillies: 57-49
2007 Red Sox: 64-39
2006 Cardinals: 58-45
2005 White Sox: 67-38
2004 Red Sox: 56-46
2003 Marlins: 56-50

2002 Angels: 65-40
2001 Diamondbacks: 61-44
2000 Yankees: 54-46
I set the cutoff at six games over .500 and felt that even that was a stretch, but let's go ahead and go with your interpretation.

You know what I neglected to do (I'm at work and didn't quite have my full mind on this), is look at which of these teams actually improved themselves at the trading deadline, based on performance after acquisition. You know how many did?

Two. The 2021 Braves added Jorge Soler and Adam Duvall, and the 2014 Giants added Jake Peavy. Other teams made trades, but only those two teams significantly improved themselves.

So it's still 2 out of a whole lot.

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Re: It is on the players now. Jerry delivered.

Post by DanielVogelbach » Thu Jul 31, 2025 7:39 pm

One third of the last 25 MLB champions had a slightly above average record at the trade deadline. Not sure why you guys felt the need to battle me on that one.

So, maybe I can teach a lesson here on the significance of trade deadline deals in Major League Baseball. They are a bit more difficult to pull off these days, since there are less sellers with more post season spots available. But, they are still massively important when trying to win a championship. They can easily take a slightly better than average team and put them into World Series contender, and that's exactly what just happened to your very own Seattle Mariners.

You need have prospects in the pipeline to pull these moves off. I think what also helped was Jerry's relationship with Washington as a trading partner.

This is obviously Jerry's high-water mark. Servais sent packing and now potentially something serious here with JP, Julio, Cal, Geno, Josh, Randy, Jorge. Now we just see if the players will rise to the occasion or fold under pressure. Expectations are now way higher imo.

Never in the history of MLB has a player with 35 home runs been traded at the deadline. This is the first ever time.

It's so massive. From Ben Williamson to a guy with 35 bombs.

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