Way too early offseason

[Michael K.]

#2 - They put plenty of offense around Cal

In late July. Again, that is what I assume will happen again. They won't do jack diddly in the off season, they will hang around the last WC spot and then look to add a rental or two at the deadline. Pretending the team we are looking at now is what we had in March is fucking ridiculous. They did NOT add plenty of offense around Cal until their hands were forced at the deadline. I have a hard time imagining that many teams add a #4 and a #5 hitter in late July. The entire lineup changed with those moves.

Hats off to them for making those moves, as the only time we have made the playoffs is when they made a splash at the Deadline instead of selling off pieces with an eye for the future. But doing it again next year would be stupid. Add to the team during the winter and come into the Spring guns a blazing, instead of hovering around the middle and hoping something is available in late July.

take 20 homeruns away from Cal and they are still in the top 10 for homeruns. The narrative that the Mariners have a lousy offense is getting old, they have a decent offense, they did before they made those moves. That's why you add at the deadline. You don't do it with a lousy offense because you are not going to be able to really move it. But with an already decent offense you can continue to lengthen the lineup at the deadline and that's what they did. You have Young now hitting ninth with an OPS over 800.

Take 20 HRs from Cal and they aren’t in the playoff race and aren’t making deadline deals. Do you even believe the shit you type?

Opening day lineup included Telez, Bliss, Polanco at 3rd, Robles and Raley. Sorry, they weren’t set up for success, and it was all about not wanting to spend and blaming television money and what ever other excuse they could make.

44% of the current batting order is different, but yeah, they were set up from day one. What a crock of shit.

[Donn Beach]

In late July. Again, that is what I assume will happen again. They won't do jack diddly in the off season, they will hang around the last WC spot and then look to add a rental or two at the deadline. Pretending the team we are looking at now is what we had in March is fucking ridiculous. They did NOT add plenty of offense around Cal until their hands were forced at the deadline. I have a hard time imagining that many teams add a #4 and a #5 hitter in late July. The entire lineup changed with those moves.

Hats off to them for making those moves, as the only time we have made the playoffs is when they made a splash at the Deadline instead of selling off pieces with an eye for the future. But doing it again next year would be stupid. Add to the team during the winter and come into the Spring guns a blazing, instead of hovering around the middle and hoping something is available in late July.

take 20 homeruns away from Cal and they are still in the top 10 for homeruns. The narrative that the Mariners have a lousy offense is getting old, they have a decent offense, they did before they made those moves. That's why you add at the deadline. You don't do it with a lousy offense because you are not going to be able to really move it. But with an already decent offense you can continue to lengthen the lineup at the deadline and that's what they did. You have Young now hitting ninth with an OPS over 800.

Take 20 HRs from Cal and they aren’t in the playoff race and aren’t making deadline deals. Do you even believe the shit you type?

Opening day lineup included Telez, Bliss, Polanco at 3rd, Robles and Raley. Sorry, they weren’t set up for success, and it was all about not wanting to spend and blaming television money and what ever other excuse they could make.

44% of the current batting order is different, but yeah, they were set up from day one. What a crock of shit.

Well they managed to find the money to sign Cal to a six year extension. I think its been a pretty good season up until now, but that's just me

[Donn Beach]

so the Mariners are second in wOBA for MLB? That would be a good thing wouldn't it? This stuff is above my pay grade

is that what that says?
https://evanalytics.com/mlb/leaderboard ... e-rankings

[Michael K.]

so the Mariners are second in wOBA for MLB? That would be a good thing wouldn't it? This stuff is above my pay grade

is that what that says?
https://evanalytics.com/mlb/leaderboard ... e-rankings

I can't open this, but are the names on the list you are looking at the same names that we started the season with? Please find an instance were I bashed the lineup the way it is currently constructed. But, do you think we are second in jack shit if we are still relying on Bliss, Telez, Robles and Raley?

44% of the starting lineup is different, and you are going to die on the Hill that the opening day roster was good enough? When Robles and Raley come back, they are going to be searching for at bats, and some of those at bats just might come from Polanco. That means you have four regulars from opening day that will still be regulars. Yep, that was definitely enough.

How in the fuck can you sit there and defend that opening day lineup? How in the fuck can you say they did enough this off season when Jerry himself blamed budget constraints for why they couldn't do what they wanted to fucking do!? This tight wad organization was feeling the heat and they got lucky and found rentals at the deadline. But pretending that is a sustainable model is fucking dumb. What would we look like right now if AZ got better offers for Geno and Naylor?

Take 20 HRs away from Raleigh he says. Yep, do that and they'd have been sellers two weeks ago.

[Donn Beach]

so the Mariners are second in wOBA for MLB? That would be a good thing wouldn't it? This stuff is above my pay grade

is that what that says?
https://evanalytics.com/mlb/leaderboard ... e-rankings

I can't open this, but are the names on the list you are looking at the same names that we started the season with? Please find an instance were I bashed the lineup the way it is currently constructed. But, do you think we are second in jack shit if we are still relying on Bliss, Telez, Robles and Raley?

44% of the starting lineup is different, and you are going to die on the Hill that the opening day roster was good enough? When Robles and Raley come back, they are going to be searching for at bats, and some of those at bats just might come from Polanco. That means you have four regulars from opening day that will still be regulars. Yep, that was definitely enough.

How in the fuck can you sit there and defend that opening day lineup? How in the fuck can you say they did enough this off season when Jerry himself blamed budget constraints for why they couldn't do what they wanted to fucking do!? This tight wad organization was feeling the heat and they got lucky and found rentals at the deadline. But pretending that is a sustainable model is fucking dumb. What would we look like right now if AZ got better offers for Geno and Naylor?

Take 20 HRs away from Raleigh he says. Yep, do that and they'd have been sellers two weeks ago.

I have no interest in defending the opening day lineup, I am not spending my time thinking about it. My brain is just wired differently brother. I'm thinking about the possibilities of a playoff run. This isn't a team that's about trying to make the last spot in the playoffs and getting knocked out. This is a team that if the pitching continues to get healthy and the lineup really begins to hit could have legit WS possibilities. They are in a heck of a lot better position than the Yankees. I'm sorry but I am enjoying it

[Michael K.]

Well, this topic was about the upcoming offseason. And my point was that they will do the same shit they always do. So I guess I thought you were talking to me when you posted all this stuff.

Again, I am very excited for the rest of this season. This team can do some damage...but not because it was a good team coming in. That, as I stated, is what I expect this off season. That we will spend all winter talking about how they haven't done enough, and they will hope to add rentals in July. It's all to save money...and it's bullshit. This fan base deserves better.

[Donn Beach]

Well, this topic was about the upcoming offseason. And my point was that they will do the same shit they always do. So I guess I thought you were talking to me when you posted all this stuff.

Again, I am very excited for the rest of this season. This team can do some damage...but not because it was a good team coming in. That, as I stated, is what I expect this off season. That we will spend all winter talking about how they haven't done enough, and they will hope to add rentals in July. It's all to save money...and it's bullshit. This fan base deserves better.

Oaky, I don't like to think in terms of throw away lines like, they will do the same shit they always do. They are determined to develop players and the fact is they have been doing it, Cal, Julio and now Young are position players they developed, not to mention the pitching they developed. I see a direction and I see progress

[Captain 97]

Back to the topic at hand.....
To me the biggest need is 1B they have nothing in the Minors that is close. There were rumors that the Braves were making Matt Olson available at the deadline. If I am Rosterbating I am making that trade.

Next I am signing Geno to a 2 year deal while the young infielders continue to develop. 5 of their top 13 prospects are middle infielders. Hopefully they should be able to fill 3B and SS from within as JP and Geno's contracts expire.

Lastly I am adding a couple of leverage relievers.

If Ford doesn't go in the the Olson trade, bring him up as backup catcher/DH.

Looking at some back of the napkin payroll calcs. and factoring in the expiring contracts as well as arbitration raises it seems like you should be able to get that done somewhere around 180-190 Million. Which would be just outside of the top 10 in payroll.

[Michael K.]

Well, this topic was about the upcoming offseason. And my point was that they will do the same shit they always do. So I guess I thought you were talking to me when you posted all this stuff.

Again, I am very excited for the rest of this season. This team can do some damage...but not because it was a good team coming in. That, as I stated, is what I expect this off season. That we will spend all winter talking about how they haven't done enough, and they will hope to add rentals in July. It's all to save money...and it's bullshit. This fan base deserves better.

Oaky, I don't like to think in terms of throw away lines like, they will do the same shit they always do. They are determined to develop players and the fact is they have been doing it, Cal, Julio and now Young are position players they developed, not to mention the pitching they developed. I see a direction and I see progress

They built a farm, but you just named two players and a rookie as a basis for why you think this will be a launching point? Four years ago should have bene a launching point, but they weren't ready, so they sold at the deadline. Then they made minimal effort to improve the team in the offseason, a common theme, and it was basically wash rinse and repeat. Yet you think that making two big moves this trade deadline means that this coming off season is going to be different? Why? Why are they going to spend this off season when they never have? They already told us last winter there are under budget restraints. Did TV money all of a sudden appear? Because that is all they have to do...cry about TV money, and not spend, then throw their hands up and hope they can make a move for a rental at the deadline.

Everyone is jacked up about Cole Young. He bats 9th in the lineup. But lets bring a couple more of him up next year and hope for the best?

[Michael K.]

Back to the topic at hand.....
To me the biggest need is 1B they have nothing in the Minors that is close. There were rumors that the Braves were making Matt Olson available at the deadline. If I am Rosterbating I am making that trade.

Next I am signing Geno to a 2 year deal while the young infielders continue to develop. 5 of their top 13 prospects are middle infielders. Hopefully they should be able to fill 3B and SS from within as JP and Geno's contracts expire.

Lastly I am adding a couple of leverage relievers.

If Ford doesn't go in the the Olson trade, bring him up as backup catcher/DH.

Looking at some back of the napkin payroll calcs. and factoring in the expiring contracts as well as arbitration raises it seems like you should be able to get that done somewhere around 180-190 Million. Which would be just outside of the top 10 in payroll.

Sounds great. It's never been something they have done, and since they cried poor this off season? I just don't see how that changes. I sure hope you are right though.