Morosi agrees that Nimmo is a pretty good option

[harmony]

It's not a source.

And I certainly do not view all opinions on this forum as equal... particularly if they're not backed up.

That's a really weird way of evaluating what information is credible and what isn't.

Don't be desperate for validation.

Contributors can offer factual statistics ... or not. Contributors can offer opinions ... or not.

Living with contrasting opinions is healthy. Obsession with winning an argument is not.

Keep those contributions coming.

Actually, living with a contradictory opinion about something can be unhealthy if it is factually incorrect.

You can have the opinion that drinking bleach is not going to kill you, but that opinion is unhealthy if you decide to go out and drink bleach or share that opinion with others and it convinces them.

Like I said, anyone here is welcome to have an opinion. Not every opinion will be valued equally. Certainly not an emotional opinion like, "Anderson plays horrible D and is a terrible base runner," when a quick Google search points directly to the contrary.

My opinion that JP Crawford is an underwhelming SS... is backed up by factual information that he was one of the worst SS's in baseball for 5/6th's of a baseball season both offensively and defensibly.

People who come out and say, "but, but, but JP Crawford is a great SS!" are factually incorrect and their opinion should be treated as such.

Tim Anderson has posted a negative 16 Defensive Runs Saved and minus 5.7 UZR/150 in 6,659.1 career innings at shortstop, including a negative 7 DRS and minus 7.0 UZR/150 in 691 innings this year.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/tim-a ... d-fielding

J.P. Crawford has posted 7 DRS and 0.1 UZR/150 in 4.212 career innings at shortstop, including a negative 3 and minus 0.9 UZR/150 in 1,254 innings this year.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jp-cr ... d-fielding

Draw whatever opinion from those statistics.

[Seattle or Bust]

Don't be desperate for validation.

Contributors can offer factual statistics ... or not. Contributors can offer opinions ... or not.

Living with contrasting opinions is healthy. Obsession with winning an argument is not.

Keep those contributions coming.

Actually, living with a contradictory opinion about something can be unhealthy if it is factually incorrect.

You can have the opinion that drinking bleach is not going to kill you, but that opinion is unhealthy if you decide to go out and drink bleach or share that opinion with others and it convinces them.

Like I said, anyone here is welcome to have an opinion. Not every opinion will be valued equally. Certainly not an emotional opinion like, "Anderson plays horrible D and is a terrible base runner," when a quick Google search points directly to the contrary.

My opinion that JP Crawford is an underwhelming SS... is backed up by factual information that he was one of the worst SS's in baseball for 5/6th's of a baseball season both offensively and defensibly.

People who come out and say, "but, but, but JP Crawford is a great SS!" are factually incorrect and their opinion should be treated as such.

Tim Anderson has posted a negative 16 Defensive Runs Saved and minus 5.7 UZR/150 in 6,659.1 career innings at shortstop, including a negative 7 DRS and minus 7.0 UZR/150 in 691 innings this year.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/tim-a ... d-fielding

J.P. Crawford has posted 7 DRS and 0.1 UZR/150 in 4.212 career innings at shortstop, including a negative 3 and minus 0.9 UZR/150 in 1,254 innings this year.

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jp-cr ... d-fielding

Draw whatever opinion from those statistics.

I will fully admit that JP Crawford has been a better defender than Anderson through out his career. But how much does it matter when you consider that his defense completely fell off the planet in 2022? Fangraphs rated him worse OVERALL than Anderson in '22. UZR, DRS, etc... all add up to a final defensive rating that rated Anderson and Crawford basically =/= the last 2 years.

And all of this is moot:

Defense: Anderson =/= Crawford with an edge toward JP given career trends.

Offense: Anderson >>> Crawford and it's not even close.

Base Running: Anderson >>> Crawford and it's not even close.

Tell ya what though, JP sure does look cool when he's hit 1 double in 30 AB's and puts that phone gesture next to his face.

[harmony]

This message board is not the only baseball forum hampered by recency bias.

This bias among fans is most pronounced for veteran players -- such as Jesse Winker and Adam Frazier -- who join a new team. The acquired player's performance with the new team is important but too often is given disproportionate weight by that club's fans. Front office professionals are more likely to assign appropriate weight to this year's performance and the player's previous performance.

A more extreme example of recency bias is reflected in citing J.P. Crawford's disappointing performance for the final five-sixths of the 2022 season. Was the downturn concerning? Of course it is. But obsessing on the last 124 games of a 27-year-old's 523-game MLB career does not provide best assessment of a player's value.

[Seattle or Bust]

This message board is not the only baseball forum hampered by recency bias.

This bias among fans is most pronounced for veteran players -- such as Jesse Winker and Adam Frazier -- who join a new team. The acquired player's performance with the new team is important but too often is given disproportionate weight by that club's fans. Front office professionals are more likely to assign appropriate weight to this year's performance and the player's previous performance.

A more extreme example of recency bias is reflected in citing J.P. Crawford's disappointing performance for the final five-sixths of the 2022 season. Was the downturn concerning? Of course it is. But obsessing on the last 124 games of a 27-year-old's 523-game MLB career does not provide best assessment of a player's value.

It's not just recency bias when it comes to JP Crawford.

His career OPS is .691 with a 95 OPS + which is just bad.

Has his defense declined more recently? Sure.

But he's always been a shit hitter. He's always been a shit base runner.

He always has one month where he looks like an All Star and then is mediocre to downright terrible for the majority of the remaining months:

2022:


2021:


2020:


2019:


I don't think you understand that we comb through this stuff Harmony. I don't form my opinions lightly.

I'm also less concerned about Winker and Frazier because Winker only has one year left and has a proven history. If he doesn't work out, the team will just move on. Frazier is a F/A... so it doesn't matter.

Clinging onto JP Crawford and this level of play for the next 4 years is a literal detriment to a team trying to win a World Series.

[harmony]

This year among qualified shortstops J.P. Crawford finished 17th in fWAR and 13th in wRC+:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... &sort=18,d

Can the Mariners upgrade over Crawford at shortstop? Of course they can. Would Tim Anderson provide a significant upgrade?

This year Anderson posted a wRC+ of 110 while Crawford posted a wRC+ of 104. Each had an on-base percentage of .339 but Anderson again had the edge in power with a slugging percentage of .395 to Crawford's .336. Each had a below-league-average strikeout rate with Anderson at 15.7 percent and Crawford at 13.3 percent while Anderson walked at a minuscule 4.4 percent rate (but above his career rate) and Crawford at a healthy 11.3 percent rate.

This season Anderson posted his 2.0 fWAR in only 79 games while Crawford posted his 2.0 fWAR in 145 games. Anderson, who is 19 months older than Crawford, did not play enough to achieve qualified shortstop status.

[Seattle or Bust]

This year among qualified shortstops J.P. Crawford finished 17th in fWAR and 13th in wRC+:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... &sort=18,d

Can the Mariners upgrade over Crawford at shortstop? Of course they can. Would Tim Anderson provide a significant upgrade?

This year Anderson posted a wRC+ of 110 while Crawford posted a wRC+ of 104. Each had an on-base percentage of .339 but Anderson again had the edge in power with a slugging percentage of .395 to Crawford's .336. Each had a below-league-average strikeout rate with Anderson at 15.7 percent and Crawford at 13.3 percent while Anderson walked at a minuscule 4.4 percent rate (but above his career rate) and Crawford at a healthy 11.3 percent rate.

This season Anderson posted his 2.0 fWAR in only 79 games while Crawford posted his 2.0 fWAR in 145 games. Anderson, who is 19 months older than Crawford, did not play enough to achieve qualified shortstop status.

LOL again. You forget to post how many qualified SS's there were... there were 21. 17/21 IS HORRIBLE. This has been explained to you by not only myself, but DT. Do you not get that?

As I've explained 457 fuckin' times to you now... you know this... Anderson suffered a significant groin injury. Prior to that injury, he was hitting .357/.393/.503. It's clear he was playing injured given the fall off of his numbers after that date until he called it quits for the year.

So JP couldn't beat out a severely injured Anderson with the bat? Pathetic.

If you weren't so enamored by the guy you'd take a step back and realize JP has never been very good.

[harmony]

This year among qualified shortstops J.P. Crawford finished 17th in fWAR and 13th in wRC+:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... &sort=18,d

Can the Mariners upgrade over Crawford at shortstop? Of course they can. Would Tim Anderson provide a significant upgrade?

This year Anderson posted a wRC+ of 110 while Crawford posted a wRC+ of 104. Each had an on-base percentage of .339 but Anderson again had the edge in power with a slugging percentage of .395 to Crawford's .336. Each had a below-league-average strikeout rate with Anderson at 15.7 percent and Crawford at 13.3 percent while Anderson walked at a minuscule 4.4 percent rate (but above his career rate) and Crawford at a healthy 11.3 percent rate.

This season Anderson posted his 2.0 fWAR in only 79 games while Crawford posted his 2.0 fWAR in 145 games. Anderson, who is 19 months older than Crawford, did not play enough to achieve qualified shortstop status.

LOL again. You forget to post how many qualified SS's there were... there were 21. 17/21 IS HORRIBLE. This has been explained to you by not only myself, but DT. Do you not get that?

As I've explained 457 fuckin' times to you now... you know this... Anderson suffered a significant groin injury. Prior to that injury, he was hitting .357/.393/.503. It's clear he was playing injured given the fall off of his numbers after that date until he called it quits for the year.

So JP couldn't beat out a severely injured Anderson with the bat? Pathetic.

If you weren't so enamored by the guy you'd take a step back and realize JP has never been very good.

Chill.

No intent to offend delicate sensibilities.

Tim Anderson's first 40 games this year (.356/.393/.503/.896, wRC+ 157) should be given the same weight as J.P. Crawford's first 40 games this year (.285/.371/.438/.809, wRC+ 138). The edge goes to the richly enamored Anderson but neither is horrible.

Anderson and Crawford had to contend with injuries this year:

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/tim-ander ... r-injuries

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/jp-crawfo ... r-injuries

... although Anderson's groin injury apparently was the most serious.

Again, the Mariners can upgrade over the much-maligned Crawford at shortstop but any upgrade should be significant.

Take a step back. Good advice.

Be well.

[bpj]

It'll be nice once the picture is clear of which teams are going to be sellers and which will be buyers.

The Brewers, the White Sox, the Cubs, they all have some talented players and are kind of on the fence of contention.

[Seattle or Bust]

This year among qualified shortstops J.P. Crawford finished 17th in fWAR and 13th in wRC+:

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... &sort=18,d

Can the Mariners upgrade over Crawford at shortstop? Of course they can. Would Tim Anderson provide a significant upgrade?

This year Anderson posted a wRC+ of 110 while Crawford posted a wRC+ of 104. Each had an on-base percentage of .339 but Anderson again had the edge in power with a slugging percentage of .395 to Crawford's .336. Each had a below-league-average strikeout rate with Anderson at 15.7 percent and Crawford at 13.3 percent while Anderson walked at a minuscule 4.4 percent rate (but above his career rate) and Crawford at a healthy 11.3 percent rate.

This season Anderson posted his 2.0 fWAR in only 79 games while Crawford posted his 2.0 fWAR in 145 games. Anderson, who is 19 months older than Crawford, did not play enough to achieve qualified shortstop status.

LOL again. You forget to post how many qualified SS's there were... there were 21. 17/21 IS HORRIBLE. This has been explained to you by not only myself, but DT. Do you not get that?

As I've explained 457 fuckin' times to you now... you know this... Anderson suffered a significant groin injury. Prior to that injury, he was hitting .357/.393/.503. It's clear he was playing injured given the fall off of his numbers after that date until he called it quits for the year.

So JP couldn't beat out a severely injured Anderson with the bat? Pathetic.

If you weren't so enamored by the guy you'd take a step back and realize JP has never been very good.

Chill.

No intent to offend delicate sensibilities.

Tim Anderson's first 40 games this year (.356/.393/.503/.896, wRC+ 157) should be given the same weight as J.P. Crawford's first 40 games this year (.285/.371/.438/.809, wRC+ 138). The edge goes to the richly enamored Anderson but neither is horrible.

Anderson and Crawford had to contend with injuries this year:

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/tim-ander ... r-injuries

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/jp-crawfo ... r-injuries

... although Anderson's groin injury apparently was the most serious.

Again, the Mariners can upgrade over the much-maligned Crawford at shortstop but any upgrade should be significant.

Take a step back. Good advice.

Be well.

Absolutely ridiculous.

One, a proven star, was playing through a significant injury until the point he couldn't.

The other, just a guy, continued his trend of falling off a cliff.

Please, I don't need your weird lecture.

[Seattle or Bust]

It'll be nice once the picture is clear of which teams are going to be sellers and which will be buyers.

The Brewers, the White Sox, the Cubs, they all have some talented players and are kind of on the fence of contention.

It is frustrating that in the most important off season in history, we're already hearing other teams being linked to the stars and there's never a peep about the Mariners.

Everywhere I look it's "the Giants are going to make every attempt to sign their lost son and bring him home," in reference to Judge.

Why is it when Conforto was a free agent nobody said, "oh... well he might want to go home to Seattle!"

I really hope the M's start winning some championships so they can put a big ol' boot up MLB and ESPN's ass.

At least Passan was on Seattle radio the other day saying Judge is an obvious fit and the M's should be in the running.