2020-2021 Hot Stove Thread

[D-train]

Not my kind of player, but looks like the Mariners aren't married to Dylan Moore, 2B.

Doesn't seem like a great plan to move Moore's .750 career OPS in his first two seasons off of 2B in favor of the guy with a .711 career OPS, including a .675 OPS last season (compared to Moores .855).

Trending opposite ways imo. Would be a "Lets add Dee Gordon when we already have Cano" move imo.

Obviously Moore is no Cano, but he doesn't have a problem outhitting Wong, that much is clear enough. Even his OBP is better than Wong for the "table setter!" crowd.

Oh but then they can say we have an all gold glove INF in the post game interviews after we lose 3-2 and 2-0 and 4-1.

[Petert]

A Moore-to-Wong shift at 2b doesn’t make sense in light of Jerry’s comments regarding analyzing Shed Long’s viability further in ST.

Morosi’s remarks also give no context as to the timing of inquiries re: Wong. I seem to recall there was a mention of the Ms being interested in Wong more than a month ago. It could be that we’ve moved on, but he (Morosi) is listing an off-season perspective in total.

[D-train]

A Moore-to-Wong shift at 2b doesn’t make sense in light of Jerry’s comments regarding analyzing Shed Long’s viability further in ST.

Morosi’s remarks also give no context as to the timing of inquiries re: Wong. I seem to recall there was a mention of the Ms being interested in Wong more than a month ago. It could be that we’ve moved on, but he (Morosi) is listing an off-season perspective in total.

Hopefully. Here is a piece on Moore worth reading.

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/1/2 ... ers-tweaks

Just crazy to not give him the starting 2B spot in 2021.

[D-train]

Divish says Brown got hosed.

https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1 ... 1902375938

[bpj]

Divish says Brown got hosed.

https://twitter.com/RyanDivish/status/1 ... 1902375938

Brown is the one (interim) manager I heard very little bitching and moaning about around here when he was interim.

I remember people being happy with the way he managed the pitching and game decisions.

I was hoping they would keep him that following season.

[harmony]

Not my kind of player, but looks like the Mariners aren't married to Dylan Moore, 2B.

Doesn't seem like a great plan to move Moore's .750 career OPS in his first two seasons off of 2B in favor of the guy with a .711 career OPS, including a .675 OPS last season (compared to Moores .855).

Trending opposite ways imo. Would be a "Lets add Dee Gordon when we already have Cano" move imo.

Obviously Moore is no Cano, but he doesn't have a problem outhitting Wong, that much is clear enough. Even his OBP is better than Wong for the "table setter!" crowd.

Steamer and ZiPS project Dylan Moore with 2021 WAR of 0.7 in 130 games and 0.9 in 124 games while projecting Kolten Wong with 2021 WAR of 1.9 in 126 games and 2.2 in 143 games.

Marcel projects these 2021 lines for Moore and Wong:

DM 443 PA, .230/.325/.426/.751
KW 536 PA, .260/.343/.386/.729

It's not necessarily an either/or proposition. Moore's power might play in left field where a small sample of defensive metrics suggest that Moore could be an elite defender.

Or not.

We'll all be pulling for Dylan Moore but some fans are too easily seduced by Moore's breakout season of 38 games.

[harmony]

A Moore-to-Wong shift at 2b doesn’t make sense in light of Jerry’s comments regarding analyzing Shed Long’s viability further in ST.

Morosi’s remarks also give no context as to the timing of inquiries re: Wong. I seem to recall there was a mention of the Ms being interested in Wong more than a month ago. It could be that we’ve moved on, but he (Morosi) is listing an off-season perspective in total.

Hopefully. Here is a piece on Moore worth reading.

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2021/1/2 ... ers-tweaks

Just crazy to not give him the starting 2B spot in 2021.

And here is the same Lookout Landing writer's take on Kolten Wong:

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2020/10/ ... olten-wong

[bpj]

Even his other year was better than Wong.

If his bat plays in LF, then he makes a huge asset to have at 2B, a typically weak position, whereas Moore would still get left behind in LF among contending teams LF's in my opinion.

No reason to add at the weak position when you have good hitters sitting there for the taking in LF and can have two plus hitters in the lineup at 2B and LF instead of two average or below hitters.

Moving a guy who can play solid 2N to LF makes no sense imo.

You're negating every benefit that player brings you.

If he doesn't pan out by mid-season, sure, replace him by all means.

[D-train]

Not my kind of player, but looks like the Mariners aren't married to Dylan Moore, 2B.

Doesn't seem like a great plan to move Moore's .750 career OPS in his first two seasons off of 2B in favor of the guy with a .711 career OPS, including a .675 OPS last season (compared to Moores .855).

Trending opposite ways imo. Would be a "Lets add Dee Gordon when we already have Cano" move imo.

Obviously Moore is no Cano, but he doesn't have a problem outhitting Wong, that much is clear enough. Even his OBP is better than Wong for the "table setter!" crowd.

Steamer and ZiPS project Dylan Moore with 2021 WAR of 0.7 in 130 games and 0.9 in 124 games while projecting Kolten Wong with 2021 WAR of 1.9 in 126 games and 2.2 in 143 games.

Marcel projects these 2021 lines for Moore and Wong:

DM 443 PA, .230/.325/.426/.751
KW 536 PA, .260/.343/.386/.729

It's not necessarily an either/or proposition. Moore's power might play in left field where a small sample of defensive metrics suggest that Moore could be an elite defender.

Or not.

We'll all be pulling for Dylan Moore but some fans are too easily seduced by Moore's breakout season of 38 games.

Actually that is the exact reason that I would rather have Moore at 2B than LF. I am not convinced he has the bat for LF based on the 38 games. But if you read the LL article, I am quite confident that changes he has made will allow him to be a starting 2B long term.

[D-train]

Even his other year was better than Wong.

If his bat plays in LF, then he makes a huge asset to have at 2B, a typically weak position, whereas Moore would still get left behind in LF among contending teams LF's in my opinion.

No reason to add at the weak position when you have good hitters sitting there for the taking in LF and can have two plus hitters in the lineup at 2B and LF instead of two average or below hitters.

Moving a guy who can play solid 2N to LF makes no sense imo.

You're negating every benefit that player brings you.

If he doesn't pan out by mid-season, sure, replace him by all means.

Sum Ting Wong with JD if he thinks 2B is the position to focus on.