M's expected to be in on Skubal per Buster Olney

[D-train]

You're such an idiot. They do not have a 93 percent success rate in predicting actual trades. The value assessments they use are pulled out of their fucking asses. it's all lunacy. And I'm sick and tired of you going to that god damn site like it's gospel for reality

Where does it says anything about predicting trades. Can you not fucking read??? They literally outline their detailed methodologies on their site but you to much of a lazy ignorant dumb fuck to take five minutes to read them but instead through a tantrum like a 10 yo girl because you don't agree with it.

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/val ... r-leaguers

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/val ... r-leaguers

But hey, great news! I thought of a great way that will ensure you will never have to see them again. I hope you enjoyed your very last day on this website!

Addition by subtraction.

[Pharmabro]

What's a Miller for Skubs straight up deal look like on that bs-feeder site?

Miller is only worth $11.0M Kirby is at $57M to that would work straight up.

I want to avoid trading Gilbert or Kirby or Woo. The young arms I would be trading with reluctance would be Miller, Evans, Sloan and I would freely trade Cjenti, or Emerson. But I like Hancock as a swing guy

[Pharmabro]

I guess I'm in the minority around here, but I have NO interest in gutting our farm for only 1 season of a pitcher that could potentially blow out his arm. If we are trading away our best prospects, I want people that would be on our team for years. We already have good pitching. Sure, we could nitpick all day long about whether they are aces or not, but I'd wager 95% of the teams in the league would kill to have our rotation. For me, Emerson, Montes, Anderson, Sloan, Farmelo and Becker are off limits. Everyone else is fair game and can be traded to improve, but we need years of control to do it. We won't be a top 10 payroll team whether we like it or not so we need to be keeping productive players that will be cheap to stay competitive. Blowing it all for one year and then we are screwed is a dumb way to play. We dont have owners that will pay out year after year. We need to be smart and selective on how we use our best assets. We know he wont sign an extension and I sure as hell dont see us every paying a pitcher 40 mil a year on a 8-10 year deal. Even if we did, we would be stupid to do it. After year 5 we would be handcuffed to a shit deal that we couldn't get out of. (See De Grom, Castillo etc) I'd much rather get a few good solid hitters via trade like Duran and roll with what we have.

I am not sure how you don't get this but because it is only one year we won't need to gut the farm to get him. Prospects are just that, big maybe's. Would you have been devasted if we had traded Cole Young and Ben Williamson and Logan Evans for one year of Skubal and we won the WS this year???

That is about right and you do it most of the time.

T-Mobe favors lefties. Is Skubal the best lefty right now? Probably. You could say: Injury, drug OD, lightening bolt.

Adding this changes the math
1. Skubal * CY Ace
2. Gilbert
3. Kirby
4. Woo
5. Luis

That is a game changer and deadly. And with the BP with an additional lefty stud?

I have often floated recreating the Curt Randy formula when we had Felix in his prime. But a dominant BP with a CY Ace and 4 other guys that are or could be opening day starters ?

[Donn Beach]

What's a Miller for Skubs straight up deal look like on that bs-feeder site?

Miller is only worth $11.0M Kirby is at $57M to that would work straight up.

I want to avoid trading Gilbert or Kirby or Woo. The young arms I would be trading with reluctance would be Miller, Evans, Sloan and I would freely trade Cjenti, or Emerson. But I like Hancock as a swing guy

I read Cenji is closest to the ML

[bpj]

Miller is only worth $11.0M Kirby is at $57M to that would work straight up.

I want to avoid trading Gilbert or Kirby or Woo. The young arms I would be trading with reluctance would be Miller, Evans, Sloan and I would freely trade Cjenti, or Emerson. But I like Hancock as a swing guy

I read Cenji is closest to the ML

I hardly follow the minors guys, but always considered this guy a certain flop, sideshow act.

Has he actually been progressing with his witchcraft?

[Donn Beach]

I want to avoid trading Gilbert or Kirby or Woo. The young arms I would be trading with reluctance would be Miller, Evans, Sloan and I would freely trade Cjenti, or Emerson. But I like Hancock as a swing guy

I read Cijntje is closest to the ML

I hardly follow the minors guys, but always considered this guy a certain flop, sideshow act.

Has he actually been progressing with his witchcraft?

Too much gets made of the switch pitching deal. It's not why the mariners drafted him. They drafted him because of his ability to pitch right handed. The odd thing is he's naturally left handed. He learned to pitch right handed because his father who was a professional pitcher pitched that way and he liked using his glove. He has been trying pitching with his natural side and the mariners have continued to let him. But his development really is about him being a right handed pitcher.

The Mariners plan to let Cijntje continue to pitch with both arms and see what it looks like at the pro level. There’s general consensus that he’s better right-handed, with a chance to start in the mold of Marcus Stroman. He can crank his fastball up to 98 mph with carry up in the zone, complementing it with an effective mid-80s slider that touches 90-91 mph with depth and a firm fading changeup. As a lefty, he’s more reliever-ish, using a lower slot to get outs with a sweeping low-80s breaker and a low-90s fastball.

Though he’s undersized and that will always bring concerns about durability with it, he’s strong and athletic and showed an increased ability to find the strike zone in his second season in college. Whether he eventually throws right-handed full time as a starter or is able to find a way to use his ambidextrousness to his advantage as he climbs the ladder will be one of the more interesting storylines in the Mariners system

[D-train]

What's a Miller for Skubs straight up deal look like on that bs-feeder site?

Miller is only worth $11.0M Kirby is at $57M to that would work straight up.

I want to avoid trading Gilbert or Kirby or Woo. The young arms I would be trading with reluctance would be Miller, Evans, Sloan and I would freely trade Cjenti, or Emerson. But I like Hancock as a swing guy

Insane to value Evans over JC. CJ is valued at $16M and Evans only at $9M

[D-train]

I guess I'm in the minority around here, but I have NO interest in gutting our farm for only 1 season of a pitcher that could potentially blow out his arm. If we are trading away our best prospects, I want people that would be on our team for years. We already have good pitching. Sure, we could nitpick all day long about whether they are aces or not, but I'd wager 95% of the teams in the league would kill to have our rotation. For me, Emerson, Montes, Anderson, Sloan, Farmelo and Becker are off limits. Everyone else is fair game and can be traded to improve, but we need years of control to do it. We won't be a top 10 payroll team whether we like it or not so we need to be keeping productive players that will be cheap to stay competitive. Blowing it all for one year and then we are screwed is a dumb way to play. We dont have owners that will pay out year after year. We need to be smart and selective on how we use our best assets. We know he wont sign an extension and I sure as hell dont see us every paying a pitcher 40 mil a year on a 8-10 year deal. Even if we did, we would be stupid to do it. After year 5 we would be handcuffed to a shit deal that we couldn't get out of. (See De Grom, Castillo etc) I'd much rather get a few good solid hitters via trade like Duran and roll with what we have.

I am not sure how you don't get this but because it is only one year we won't need to gut the farm to get him. Prospects are just that, big maybe's. Would you have been devasted if we had traded Cole Young and Ben Williamson and Logan Evans for one year of Skubal and we won the WS this year???

That is about right and you do it most of the time.

T-Mobe favors lefties. Is Skubal the best lefty right now? Probably. You could say: Injury, drug OD, lightening bolt.

Adding this changes the math
1. Skubal * CY Ace
2. Gilbert
3. Kirby
4. Woo
5. Luis

That is a game changer and deadly. And with the BP with an additional lefty stud?

I have often floated recreating the Curt Randy formula when we had Felix in his prime. But a dominant BP with a CY Ace and 4 other guys that are or could be opening day starters ?

Are you seriously asking if Skubal is the best lefty???? He is the best pitcher in all of baseball. Full. Stop. Come on man.

[D-train]

I want to avoid trading Gilbert or Kirby or Woo. The young arms I would be trading with reluctance would be Miller, Evans, Sloan and I would freely trade Cjenti, or Emerson. But I like Hancock as a swing guy

I read Cenji is closest to the ML

I hardly follow the minors guys, but always considered this guy a certain flop, sideshow act.

Has he actually been progressing with his witchcraft?

He has sucked throwing lefty but is lights out throwing RH. Should just scrap the lefty nonsense and develop pitches throwing RH to get LH hitters out.

[Big_Maple]

He has sucked throwing lefty but is lights out throwing RH. Should just scrap the lefty nonsense and develop pitches throwing RH to get LH hitters out.

He's #8 in the M's organization, and #90 overall and is a first round draft pick. But as you all have pointed out, the switch pitching is a novelty more than a selling point. I can't see him being a TOR guy winning a Cy Young because he throws from both sides. I can, however, see his potential as a RHP being something that would be desirable by a lot of teams given his overall resume. So I can see this guy being a big part of a Dipoto offseason blockbuster trade more than him becoming a big part of our rotation moving forward.