Minor League Updates

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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by bpj » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:30 pm

That's where we differ.

I dont care if he hits .200 if his OPS is .850+.

The lineup needs SLG from 1B, not OBP or AVG. We don't need him on base, we need him clearing them. As a 1B, that's his job.

When your LF, RF or 1B aren't producing OPS it puts your team at an instant disadvantage (see Mariners, always) because every other team that plans to make the playoffs will have it.

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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by bpj » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:41 pm

What I mean by that is a guy like Cano only gives you an advantage if you dont put a guy that hits like a 2B at one of your typical power positions.

Otherwise, you're just paying a 2B $25 million for production you could have gotten from a LF for $10M.

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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by Juliooooo » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:59 pm

bpj wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:41 pm
What I mean by that is a guy like Cano only gives you an advantage if you dont put a guy that hits like a 2B at one of your typical power positions.

Otherwise, you're just paying a 2B $25 million for production you could have gotten from a LF for $10M.
He won't hit 40 HR most likely, and average will be a part of his OPS. hitting .200 with a .250 OBP it is harder to have a .850 OPS than hitting .280 with a .370 OBP. If Santana was only hitting .225, his OPS would be much lower, but he's able to keep a .270-.280 average, so he can hit 25-30 HR and still have a pretty good OPS.

Daniel Vogelbach only hits .229, but his OPS is .850 in large part due to his .360 OBP. If his OBP was only .280, then he'd have an OPS of around .780 if nothing else changed. Also it keeps the pitcher honest. If you know he's not going to swing at junk, you have to put it in the strike zone, or give him a free base. Thats what I meant by keep hitting. Singles drive in runs too when you have people on base. Santana has done that a lot this year.
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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by bpj » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:07 pm

Idgaf how they get to .850 OPS as long as they get there.

Well, with at least .500 or so SLG

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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by Juliooooo » Thu Aug 08, 2019 2:01 am

Newsome transitioning to AA pretty nicely. His K/9 has fallen off the roof though. He had 11k/9ip in Modesto, and is at about 4K/9ip in Arkansas. He does have a 2.08 ERA though, so he's been effective.

Raleigh hits his first AA HR, and adds a single with his 2nd AB
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Post by Hanjag » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:15 pm

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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by Juliooooo » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:19 pm

I've talked about Ian McKinney the last few weeks. Pretty good article about him and his improvement this season from lookout landing

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/platform ... ssion=true
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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by Bil522 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:17 am

bpj wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:30 pm
That's where we differ.

I dont care if he hits .200 if his OPS is .850+.

The lineup needs SLG from 1B, not OBP or AVG. We don't need him on base, we need him clearing them. As a 1B, that's his job.

When your LF, RF or 1B aren't producing OPS it puts your team at an instant disadvantage (see Mariners, always) because every other team that plans to make the playoffs will have it.
Guys like Olerud, Keith Hernandez, JT Snow, and Mark Grace would all prove that you are not right. It is not about "power positions" it is about roster construction. You get power from wherever it comes a SS or a CF or a C. Team pitching and defense wins way more championships than your locked in 1920's thinking does.

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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by bpj » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:25 am

Bil522 wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:17 am
bpj wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:30 pm
That's where we differ.

I dont care if he hits .200 if his OPS is .850+.

The lineup needs SLG from 1B, not OBP or AVG. We don't need him on base, we need him clearing them. As a 1B, that's his job.

When your LF, RF or 1B aren't producing OPS it puts your team at an instant disadvantage (see Mariners, always) because every other team that plans to make the playoffs will have it.
Guys like Olerud, Keith Hernandez, JT Snow, and Mark Grace would all prove that you are not right. It is not about "power positions" it is about roster construction. You get power from wherever it comes a SS or a CF or a C. Team pitching and defense wins way more championships than your locked in 1920's thinking does.
I wouldn't build a team purposely around any of those guys.

Especially when I have to cherry pick the last 40 years to do it.

1920's :lol:

95% of baseball players in those days wouldnt be on the field with the worlds best that we field today.

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Re: Minor League Updates

Post by bpj » Fri Aug 09, 2019 6:51 am

Bil522 wrote:
Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:17 am
bpj wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:30 pm
That's where we differ.

I dont care if he hits .200 if his OPS is .850+.

The lineup needs SLG from 1B, not OBP or AVG. We don't need him on base, we need him clearing them. As a 1B, that's his job.

When your LF, RF or 1B aren't producing OPS it puts your team at an instant disadvantage (see Mariners, always) because every other team that plans to make the playoffs will have it.
Guys like Olerud, Keith Hernandez, JT Snow, and Mark Grace would all prove that you are not right. It is not about "power positions" it is about roster construction. You get power from wherever it comes a SS or a CF or a C. Team pitching and defense wins way more championships than your locked in 1920's thinking does.
It isn't about roster construction.

The only advantage Robinson Cano gives you is if you already have good players at the positions ahead of him on the food chain.

Cano might as well have played 1B, LF or RF with the Mariners because having him at 2B didnt give us any advantage when we put Dyson (who hits like a 2B) in LF.

Cano was valuable because he was a 2B that produced OPS. But that came at a premium.

When the M's sacrificed OPS in LF, RF and 1B (where OPS comes MUCH cheaper than 2B) they were 100% squandering the single advantage Cano would have given them- an ADDITIONAL power hitter. They just skipped having one in LF or 1B to have one at 2B instead. A complete waste of the competitive advantage a power hitting 2B would be.

It would be like the worst team in baseball signing a top free agent. Shiny move, but it was still a waste.

Adding SB in LF because Cano brought the OPS at 2B was never going to help us. Ever. Ever ever. It was an idiotic concept from the beginning.

Because it is absolutely not all about "roster construction". That's a cop out like saying "lineup construction" is the answer. It means something, just not eveything.

It's about having the most, best players in your lineup. Nothing else.

John Olerud will never be an alternative to Albert Pujols just because of "roster construction". Smh. Unbelievable.

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