Naylor = Winker

[bpj]

We got Dipoto'd so bad.

[DavidGee24]

It's just an uncanny thing where successful players put on a Mariner uniform and turn into shit. How many times has it happened in recent years? Arozarena has been pretty much the only player in recent years who's maintained the level of success he achieved elsewhere.

It even happened to Robbie Ray. Dude was coming off a Cy Young Award winning season, should have been even better for us and immediately regressed into an average pitcher.

[Michael K.]

Hard to believe that Naylor basically played MVP calibar baseball in Seattle for two or so months....and still had a WAR of only 0.6 for the year. Not to mention the fact that it's the only season he had a positive WAR when he got more than 104 plate appearances. Looks like he might have fooled us pretty good.

[Donn Beach]

It's just an uncanny thing where successful players put on a Mariner uniform and turn into shit. How many times has it happened in recent years? Arozarena has been pretty much the only player in recent years who's maintained the level of success he achieved elsewhere.

It even happened to Robbie Ray. Dude was coming off a Cy Young Award winning season, should have been even better for us and immediately regressed into an average pitcher.

Nelson Cruz...had a great season in Baltimore and then actually improved on it with the mariners

[Michael K.]

It's just an uncanny thing where successful players put on a Mariner uniform and turn into shit. How many times has it happened in recent years? Arozarena has been pretty much the only player in recent years who's maintained the level of success he achieved elsewhere.

It even happened to Robbie Ray. Dude was coming off a Cy Young Award winning season, should have been even better for us and immediately regressed into an average pitcher.

Nelson Cruz...had a great season in Baltimore and then actually improved on it with the mariners

Olerud, Bret Boone and to a lesser extent Robbie Cano too. But there are so many stories to the contrary.

[Donn Beach]

Yeah, Olerud fell off a little, Cano was basically a similar season. Cruz came to t-mobile and actually improved on his numbers. Remember him having the great season for his one year in Baltimore wondering if It was an outlier, expecting the worse. He improved on it. He really was a great hitter, and he did it later in career

[DavidGee24]

It's just an uncanny thing where successful players put on a Mariner uniform and turn into shit. How many times has it happened in recent years? Arozarena has been pretty much the only player in recent years who's maintained the level of success he achieved elsewhere.

It even happened to Robbie Ray. Dude was coming off a Cy Young Award winning season, should have been even better for us and immediately regressed into an average pitcher.

Nelson Cruz...had a great season in Baltimore and then actually improved on it with the mariners

Olerud, Bret Boone and to a lesser extent Robbie Cano too. But there are so many stories to the contrary.

I was thinking more recently than those guys, like somewhere between the last five to ten years where just about every veteran we've acquired put on a Mariner uniform and pretty much died.

[Michael K.]

I was thinking more recently than those guys, like somewhere between the last five to ten years where just about every veteran we've acquired put on a Mariner uniform and pretty much died.

Agreed. Even Nelson Cruz was signed in 2015!

[GL_Storm]

It's just an uncanny thing where successful players put on a Mariner uniform and turn into shit. How many times has it happened in recent years? Arozarena has been pretty much the only player in recent years who's maintained the level of success he achieved elsewhere.

It even happened to Robbie Ray. Dude was coming off a Cy Young Award winning season, should have been even better for us and immediately regressed into an average pitcher.

This is why I don't believe our pitching is actually all that good. I think there's a park factor that the coaching staff optimizes for that makes them better at home, but disadvantages them on the road. I no longer believe in the myth that this organization has some special touch when it comes to developing pitchers. NONE of the current group of starting pitchers has developed into a frontline starter.

[Michael K.]

Something is wrong with this team, there is no question about that. I guess I have more faith that a new manager and staff can impact the Pitchers we have in a positive way then they can the hitters. The approach looks terrible. It is a group of exceptionally selfish hitters.