Hot stove 2.0

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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:31 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:44 am
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Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:55 pm
Diaz and Lowe are fine.

I don't see the M's ever giving that kind of money for a reliever. If they wanted Scott that bad, they woulda traded for him over Yimi.

Burger is a nothing burger to me. I don't get the hype. .5 bWAR and 1.4 fWAR while hanging 29 homers is concerning.
.5 bWAR and 29 bombs is almost impossible to do. His D is HORRID. btw Rojas had 2.1 bWAR. lol
On Rojas vs Burger it is combined runs and RBI the last 2 years.
Burger RBI=156, Runs 139 /278 games (91 RBI/162 & 81 runs/162)
Rojas RBI= 71, Runs = 95,/247 games (47 RBI/162 & 62 runs/162)

Rojas drives in runs at 1/2 the rate. It is closer than the raw #'s because Rojas only double dipped on HR RBI + a run but even so. And, IF Perry Hill is unable to improve his keystone corner D like he did with Geno, Rojas, and others you could slide over Dilly and DH Burger. Burger is actually much faster than he looks (27.9 FPS) which is equal to JK.
I think Perry could mold him into at least passable defense and you would get a 3-4 WAR-guy for doing so.

I admit it is far-fetched to see the organization spring for an elite left-handed guy instead of trying to do their find them and fix them routine. But I have not seen them be able to get premium performing lefties: Saucedo's 106 ERA+ was the only one with his head above water at all this year.
You have to go back to 2018 when Roenis Elias tossed a 154 ERA+, and James Pazos had a 142 to find a lefty having a good year in our pen. That is 6 years with out a lefty having a 125 ERA+ or better in the top dozen or so BP guys.

So, yes go get a good lefty AJ Minter, or find a lefty version of the Gregory Santos deal but get it done.

Oh, and Josh Rojas has a 27 FPS time on the year.
Burger is obviously a better run generator due to his pop. You're also going to get a lot more opportunity to create runs when you're batting 2-5. I also do tend to give more credit to power hitters than bWAR and fWAR does as I think they value defense too much.

All said, Josh Rojas shouldn't be the standard you're measuring against offensively. Their hitting profiles are nowhere close to the same and it's a failure on Jerry's part to put such a weakling at a power position.

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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:17 pm

Trading Geno for two trash cans and replacing him with Urias and Rojas might have been one of the dumber things Jerry has ever done and that is saying something...
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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by Seattle or Bust » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:33 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:17 pm
Trading Geno for two trash cans and replacing him with Urias and Rojas might have been one of the dumber things Jerry has ever done and that is saying something...
You couldn't have 220 K's in this lineup again.

Geno would have likely been DFA'd like France before his turn around. Guy was unplayable for the first 3 months of the season and turned into Babe Ruth.

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He also completely raked in the 2nd half at home in one of the easiest parks to hit in baseball... so there goes that advantage. He also hit in the 2nd best offense in the league.

Throw him in the Mariners offense and his numbers are likely pig shit.

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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by D-train » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:58 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:33 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:17 pm
Trading Geno for two trash cans and replacing him with Urias and Rojas might have been one of the dumber things Jerry has ever done and that is saying something...
You couldn't have 220 K's in this lineup again.

Geno would have likely been DFA'd like France before his turn around. Guy was unplayable for the first 3 months of the season and turned into Babe Ruth.

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He also completely raked in the 2nd half at home in one of the easiest parks to hit in baseball... so there goes that advantage. He also hit in the 2nd best offense in the league.

Throw him in the Mariners offense and his numbers are likely pig shit.
Yeah I was ok trading him but the return and his replacements were pathetic.
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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by harmony » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:10 am

Columnist Jim Bowden at The Athletic lists the Mariners among the best fits for possible pending free agents Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Anthony Santander, Christian Walker, Cody Bellinger, Gleyber Torres, Brandon Lowe, Alex Verdugo, Paul Goldschmidt and Rhys Hoskins:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/586353 ... ed_article

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Perhaps Bowden does not appreciated how difficult it is for the Mariners to sign free agent hitters.

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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by D-train » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:15 am

harmony wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:10 am
Columnist Jim Bowden at The Athletic lists the Mariners among the best fits for possible pending free agents Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman, Anthony Santander, Christian Walker, Cody Bellinger, Gleyber Torres, Brandon Lowe, Alex Verdugo, Paul Goldschmidt and Rhys Hoskins:

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Perhaps Bowden does not appreciated how difficult it is for the Mariners to sign free agent hitters.
Perhaps there is a reason Bowden is no longer a GM and is now a spewer of nonsensical predictions.
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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:20 am

They are best fits, that doesn't mean dipoto is going to make an effort to sign any of them. You guys spend your time making fantasy deals dipoto isn't going to do, Bowden is doing the same thing. And the reason he's no longer in baseball is because he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar in the DR.

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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by D-train » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:36 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:20 am
They are best fits, that doesn't mean dipoto is going to make an effort to sign any of them. You guys spend your time making fantasy deals dipoto isn't going to do, Bowden is doing the same thing. And the reason he's no longer in baseball is because he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar in the DR.
DR? Debbie Reynolds?
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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:47 am

Dominican Republic... looking over his GM history, it's interesting really. I would call it flamboyant, hired by Marge Schot at 31, and that was before the wizkid age. That's probably what suits him for broadcasting rather than GMing. He could be dipoto if dipoto was a high roller

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Re: Hot stove 2.0

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:51 am

He's who we traded Ken Griffey Jr to, that ended up helping getting him fired

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