Week 1- Whiners

[Gametime]

Man, right down to it---Johnny has major, major issues putting together an offensive line. And he had all off season once again to get it better. He does 1 thing. 1 on the starting line from the draft or outside. So, we have a new Center-Meh and the slow footed Bradford. He got Zabel. And guys in the backfield and bully rushing our olinemen (Abe getting big time bullied on the strip to end the game). John take little to no accountability, deflects saying others sign our drafted olinemen. then go to any drafted All Pro's. He has Spoon and Dickson in 5-10 years. I maybe missing some. Has some other nice trades like LW and EJ, but man the high end talent and his evaluation of it only living on the Russ, Bobby, Sherm drafts. He has drafted some nice ones, but his real impact ones have been few and far between. He has some really good signings like Love (I think is our best DB, better overall than Spoon IMO). Our playoff appearances and lack of wins in the playoffs have been fleeting for sure. I think it is more on John than Pete over the past few years. The player ID is lacking, for sure on the Oline. I do have to give him credit for getting far more for Russ (more washed up than a lot of us thought, me for sure).

Long way of saying, the problem here is John hasn't done a good job for a long time. Nice guy, but man he has lost his touch. WR (only JSN and DK even though they are pretty good), DB, LB, OL he hasn't done well.

Just sad to see the same old issue rising up

[Michael K.]

Long way of saying, the problem here is John hasn't done a good job for a long time. Nice guy, but man he has lost his touch. WR (only JSN and DK even though they are pretty good), DB, LB, OL he hasn't done well.

Just sad to see the same old issue rising up

Watch out. That is a very unpopular opinion around here. Zero chance that man deserves all the credit he gets, and absolutely no chance he deserved a five year extension. But? I agree with everything you said. It won't matter. They'll just fire a few coaches and tell us how great it's going to be....and everyone will buy in.

[Donn Beach]

Jamal Adams with a 90.5 ppf grade on 25 snaps with the Raiders, maybe it was Pete carrying JS

[Michael K.]

Jamal Adams with a 90.5 ppf grade on 25 snaps with the Raiders, maybe it was Pete carrying JS

Pete was frustrating as shit, and I still think I'd be sitting here typing about how I hate the offense if he was still here. I also think we'd be 1 and 0 right now. That was as bad as anything I've seen on offense, I mean, without Stan Gelbaugh, Dan McGuire or Rick Mirer playing QB. At least those guys lead dogshit offense in an age when the game was slanted to score points and move the ball.

13 points at home? 17 out of 30 scored at least 20, 8 teams scored twice as many as we did, and 5 scored 32 or more! Fucking gross.

[Donn Beach]

Jamal Adams with a 90.5 ppf grade on 25 snaps with the Raiders, maybe it was Pete carrying JS

Pete was frustrating as shit, and I still think I'd be sitting here typing about how I hate the offense if he was still here. I also think we'd be 1 and 0 right now. That was as bad as anything I've seen on offense, I mean, without Stan Gelbaugh, Dan McGuire or Rick Mirer playing QB. At least those guys lead dogshit offense in an age when the game was slanted to score points and move the ball.

13 points at home? 17 out of 30 scored at least 20, 8 teams scored twice as many as we did, and 5 scored 32 or more! Fucking gross.

Who were looking to replace Pete with at the time? You don't seem happy now with MM. I wasn't that excited about the MM hire, he seemed the pick of the litter for everybody. If anything he's grown on me. He does seem a capable HC. I wasn't sure of that then, promote a DC. I was actually more inclined towards experience, Quinn, Vrabel seemed interesting. MM impressed me last season, pulling things together the second half of the season. I think the players play for him

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Should some consideration be given to the notion that the Niners extracted useful intelligence from MVS with regard to the Seahawks playbook and the audibles jargon etc.

[Michael K.]

I wanted one of the offensive guys out there. I think Ben Johnson was one....I'd have to use the Google machine to find the others.

Two reasons I didn't want a Defensive guy are one full display. They are ultra conservative, and bright young offensive minds know that and don't want to go work for them.

[Bil522]

I wanted one of the offensive guys out there. I think Ben Johnson was one....I'd have to use the Google machine to find the others.

Two reasons I didn't want a Defensive guy are one full display. They are ultra conservative, and bright young offensive minds know that and don't want to go work for them.

Joe Burrow, playing in his 4th year under a young offensive-minded coach, with 2 highly paid top flight WR's and a frisky young RB, threw for a whoppin' 113 yds and ran for 3yds, against Cleveland, in the running for the worst team in the NFL. Burrow is everything you want, Michael. He has the weapons, he has the playbook, he has the ability, he has the moxie, and yet he sucked again. They would have lost, but Cleveland missed an extra point early and a FG with 2:25 left. The Seahawks were playing an obviously better team, with a better coach than the Bungles were facing. The difference between the Bungles and Hawks? Their defense got lucky and ours Riq'd. Offensive guys, Defensive Guys, it doesn't really matter both types of coaches will win big. What matters is that every one of the players has to buy in every freakin' week for 60 minutes, not 59, nor most of the time, but 60 damn minutes every week. Woolen bought in for about 58. Walker doesn't know that there is a buy-in. The football seems to find those players who are not bought in for the full 60.

[Donn Beach]

I wanted one of the offensive guys out there. I think Ben Johnson was one....I'd have to use the Google machine to find the others.

Two reasons I didn't want a Defensive guy are one full display. They are ultra conservative, and bright young offensive minds know that and don't want to go work for them.

Yeah, i was trying to remember who was considered offensive minded...you don't believe Kingsbury is considered a bright offensive mind? Todd Monken? I think that's too broad a generalization to say that bright offensive minded coaches won't work for defensive oriented HC's

You can picture Kliff Kingsbury as a little boy sitting in his playpen, Legos scattered all around. He’s working and fitting, figuring and building. A benevolent adult wanders over and places something unfamiliar on the floor. It’s a Deebo Samuel, whatever that is. That toddler version of Kingsbury could pick it up, turn it around, study its potential uses — and then giggle at the possibilities. What to do with this brand-new toy? So much fun.

[Michael K.]

Joe Burrow, playing in his 4th year under a young offensive-minded coach, with 2 highly paid top flight WR's and a frisky young RB, threw for a whoppin' 113 yds and ran for 3yds, against Cleveland, in the running for the worst team in the NFL. Burrow is everything you want, Michael. He has the weapons, he has the playbook, he has the ability, he has the moxie, and yet he sucked again. They would have lost, but Cleveland missed an extra point early and a FG with 2:25 left. The Seahawks were playing an obviously better team, with a better coach than the Bungles were facing.

Oh weird, you mean the other team missed two field goals and they won? Huh. Tell me Billy, when you watched the Bengals start out slow last year, and then watched them finish the season....did you think "yep, that looks like Sam Darnold, aging Cooper Kupp, JSN and the Seahawks? The Bengals had an off game, when you have the history those guys have? Under the play caller they have? When you read all the bullshit all off season about how Kubiak and his band of merry men are all it will take to fix the run game. Everyone in Seattle gobbles it up, and then you witness that? You see NOTHING different about us and the Bengals? Holy Shit bro.

The difference between the Bungles and Hawks? Their defense got lucky and ours Riq'd. Offensive guys, Defensive Guys, it doesn't really matter both types of coaches will win big. What matters is that every one of the players has to buy in every freakin' week for 60 minutes, not 59, nor most of the time, but 60 damn minutes every week. Woolen bought in for about 58. Walker doesn't know that there is a buy-in. The football seems to find those players who are not bought in for the full 60.

Again, blame a Corner Back for that game, in today's NFL, with EVERYTHING slanted towards the QB. Only in Seattle. Keep on keeping on. Nothing to see here. They will fire another OC, and you'll buy the BS. By the way? Your boys JS and MM decided that Walker was the man. But? Now it's the players fault, right? Grubb isn't here to be the whipping boy, so the two backs and the O Line he was stuck with? They are now the reason we can't run the ball. Even though Grubb didn't have Gray or Abe to start the season. Can't make this fucking shit up.