Reek Woolen has to go

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by Michael K. » Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:36 pm

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Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:19 pm

You can turn you head without stopping. I have seen it thousands of times. It is kind of impossible to make a pick if you aren't looking back towards the LOS.
It all depends on the scheme. There was nobody over the top. I find it hard to believe that you want him turning around to find the ball when simply playing the man and defending that pass would have likely turned that into an incompletion.

I am not going to pretend to know all there is to know about playing CB, but I can tell you that simply watching the game on TV and screaming "fucking turn around you idiot" is one of the dumbest things I can think of. You can't possibly turn your head and find the ball AND run at the same speed you were before. It just doesn't work that way. It's the reason there is the term about looking at your opponent during a race. Look at the finish line and you will get there, look at your opponents and you will watch them beat you." Riq did what every beer drinking Couch Coach wants him to do, and paid for it.

He shouldn't have stopped his feet, but all that did was create MORE separation than there would have been already because he turned around without over the top help. That ball was completed because he turned around. He has terrible technique, and made that play even easier. But even if he continues to run? He would have lost enough momentum for that catch to be made. But? At least he would have turned around on the sidelines in man coverage and tried to play the ball, like everyone that ISN'T coaching DBs in the NFL wants him to do.
You shouldn't turn to find the ball as a cornerback in man coverage because it slows you down and puts you out of position, allowing the receiver to gain separation. Instead, you should maintain focus on the receiver's hips and react to their breaks to stay with them. When the receiver's hands go up, you should use your outside arm to get in between their hands and the ball to disrupt the catch.

Why a Head Turn is Detrimental

Loss of Speed and Momentum:
Turning your head slows you down by a precious half-step or more, which can be the difference between making a play and allowing a completion.

Disrupts Position:
The head turn causes you to lose the receiver's hip pocket, increasing the distance and allowing the receiver to create separation.
Risk of a "Fake":
A receiver can fake a look back, or the ball may not be in the air yet, leaving you in a vulnerable and out-of-position state if you turn your head prematurely.

The Correct Technique: Eye Discipline and Reaction

Watch the Receiver's Hips:
Keep your eyes locked on the receiver's waist or hips to read their every move and anticipate their route breaks.

Stay Tight:
Maintain a tight position, matching the receiver's movements, which minimizes the quarterback's window to throw the ball.
React to the Receiver's Hands:
When the receiver's hands go up to catch the ball, that's your cue to become a "ball hawk".

Disrupt the Catch:
Instead of looking for the ball, turn your outside arm into the receiver to get between their arms and the ball, preventing them from catching it. This is often called a "strip" or "pin" technique.
Again, only Seahawk fans would watch the disgusting bullshit offense we ran on Sunday, and blame the CB who gave up two completions for the loss. It's fucking ridiculous. Score pointS. It's the fucking game of football in 2025, and we played 58 and a half minutes of football before we broke 100 yards.....PASSING! And a fucking Corner is public enemy #1. :shock:

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:40 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:19 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Wed Sep 10, 2025 2:04 am
DavidGee24 wrote:
Wed Sep 10, 2025 12:41 am
How the fuck do you just STOP for no reason on that first one? Purdy tried so hard to lose the game and Woolen would have none of it.
Because he did what every fan in football screams at Corners to do….he turned around to find the ball instead of playing his man.
You can turn you head without stopping. I have seen it thousands of times. It is kind of impossible to make a pick if you aren't looking back towards the LOS.
its not about stopping, maintaining the speed of a NFL wide receiver with your head turned in the wrong direction is 100% impossible. If you turn your head too soon you are going to lose a step to the receiver and you are screwed, that is all they should need to toast you. Proper technique is to read the receiver, figuring out where the ball is by their behavior rather than turning and looking for it. This of course is something the receiver tries to not happen. It truly is a difficult thing to pull of successfully, and at the same time you are out there alone with the entire world watching if you fuck it up.

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:44 pm

now we can turn to our master, AI, all knowing, all seeing
A "cornerback turning too soon" is when a defensive back, or cornerback, rotates their body to look for the ball before it's in the air or before they've established proper positioning, which allows the wide receiver to get an advantage. This technical mistake can lead to the ball sailing over the defender's head, getting beat for a completion, or drawing a pass interference penalty by hitting the receiver's hands prematurely or being out of position. The solution involves mastering proper backpedaling, hip flips, and breaking skills, focusing on reading the receiver's body and hands, and practicing blind ball drills to develop the ability to locate and react to the ball in mid-air.

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by Michael K. » Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:44 pm

Riq's mistake was thinking he was Richard Sherman. The right play would have been to stay sticky. He did not, tried to be the Hero, and the result was poor. He has talent, he just doesn't strike me as a student of the game.

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:51 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:44 pm
Riq's mistake was thinking he was Richard Sherman. The right play would have been to stay sticky. He did not, tried to be the Hero, and the result was poor. He has talent, he just doesn't strike me as a student of the game.
Yeah, this is one of the situations where i am gonna refuse to have an opinion, I will leave that to the coaches. woolen has talent, he has skill, he really is one of the better corners in football but on the other hand, being inconsistent is an understatement. i have no idea what to do with him

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by Michael K. » Fri Sep 12, 2025 5:35 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 4:51 pm

Yeah, this is one of the situations where i am gonna refuse to have an opinion, I will leave that to the coaches. woolen has talent, he has skill, he really is one of the better corners in football but on the other hand, being inconsistent is an understatement. i have no idea what to do with him
Probably tough to give up on a kid with his body and skill set. I really do think his head is going to end up taking him out of the league though.

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by douche » Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:11 pm

Many players have ended up out of the league due to a faulty mindset.

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Fri Sep 12, 2025 6:39 pm

Wasn't he a safety in college? Maybe he can still learn some things, but the window is closing.

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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by D-train » Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:26 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:40 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Sep 12, 2025 3:19 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Wed Sep 10, 2025 2:04 am


Because he did what every fan in football screams at Corners to do….he turned around to find the ball instead of playing his man.
You can turn you head without stopping. I have seen it thousands of times. It is kind of impossible to make a pick if you aren't looking back towards the LOS.
its not about stopping, maintaining the speed of a NFL wide receiver with your head turned in the wrong direction is 100% impossible. If you turn your head too soon you are going to lose a step to the receiver and you are screwed, that is all they should need to toast you. Proper technique is to read the receiver, figuring out where the ball is by their behavior rather than turning and looking for it. This of course is something the receiver tries to not happen. It truly is a difficult thing to pull of successfully, and at the same time you are out there alone with the entire world watching if you fuck it up.
Here is an idea, wait until the WR turns his head and then turn your head. If you both are running with your head turned then you both have the same disadvantage right???? Also you have to know at what point the ball either has to be in the air or the QB is either sacked or scrambling on a run right????? Not turning your head is going to result in a PI or completion unless it is a bad throw or a drop. They always say you have to play the ball or the officials will call a PI and they almost ALWAYS do. You can't play the ball if you can't SEE it!
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Re: Reek Woolen has to go

Post by D-train » Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:32 pm

The one that kills me the most are the fades in the back of the end zone the WR is running full speed only a couple yards from exiting the end zone you KNOW the ball has to be in the air right??? If not he will be out of the end zone when he catches so why not turn around at that point???
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