Postmortem: Seattle v Metcalfdropsemburgh

[Nwadventure]

Charb can break tackles and with already gained momentum that would help the offense IMO-

[Donn Beach]

Would sure like to see Charb catch a few balls... With our lack of WR1's I think we should hit a few more RB/pass options.

No chance JSN isn't a #1. Maybe Charbo has better hands, but the thought that he is a better weapon out of the backfield than Walker also perplexes me. Again, one is very explosive with the ball in his hands. The other? Is Charbo.

believe Its TEs that are supposed to add the targets

[57reasons]

I see we're feeling better about the team this week. And we should stomp the Aints this weekend, although we're at home where we inexplicably struggle (while inexplicably owning the east coast) and a repeat of the game against the Gnats last year is always a possibility.

My opinion that Walker is the better back has never changed. One guy is explosive, and the other is a blodder. No reason to not use Charbo as a change of pace, but the theory in this place that he was the better back has always confused me. One guy was the best RB in college football and tore up the NFL his rookie season...the other is Charbo!

As for my opinion on the play caller, what I don't like about Defensive minded Head Coaches and the staffs they surround themselves with, this O Line and Sam Darnold? I think I've made myself incredibly clear. Beating a Pittsburgh team that damn near lost to the Jets is a good thing, but doesn't exactly change my mind a ton.

The Jets offense in two games.

1st Downs
23 week 1 and 11 week 2

Plays
62 week 1 and 47 week 2

Yards
394 week 1 and 154 week 2

Passing Yards
212 week 1 and 54 in week 2

Rushing Yards
182 week 1 and 100 week 2

Time of Possession
34:43 week 1 and 21:39 in week 2

In case you were wondering? The Jets played the Steelers in week 1.

but they also had their QB1 that whole game, unlike week 2 (concussion).
that said your point about K9 over Charbs is spot on.

[Donn Beach]

I see we're feeling better about the team this week. And we should stomp the Aints this weekend, although we're at home where we inexplicably struggle (while inexplicably owning the east coast) and a repeat of the game against the Gnats last year is always a possibility.

My opinion that Walker is the better back has never changed. One guy is explosive, and the other is a blodder. No reason to not use Charbo as a change of pace, but the theory in this place that he was the better back has always confused me. One guy was the best RB in college football and tore up the NFL his rookie season...the other is Charbo!

As for my opinion on the play caller, what I don't like about Defensive minded Head Coaches and the staffs they surround themselves with, this O Line and Sam Darnold? I think I've made myself incredibly clear. Beating a Pittsburgh team that damn near lost to the Jets is a good thing, but doesn't exactly change my mind a ton.

The Jets offense in two games.

1st Downs
23 week 1 and 11 week 2

Plays
62 week 1 and 47 week 2

Yards
394 week 1 and 154 week 2

Passing Yards
212 week 1 and 54 in week 2

Rushing Yards
182 week 1 and 100 week 2

Time of Possession
34:43 week 1 and 21:39 in week 2

In case you were wondering? The Jets played the Steelers in week 1.

but they also had their QB1 that whole game, unlike week 2 (concussion).
that said your point about K9 over Charbs is spot on.

Its never been a question of talent, its availability. And there is more to it than the 49ers game, that only raised more concerns. He missed six games last season, he didn't play the preseason supposedly because of injury concerns. He plays the first game of the season and looks like he could be damaged. I just do not see that as an unreasonable concern. Talent is great but winning ball games turns on being available to play. Charb was looking as being the more durable back. Though it could be walker having to carry the load this week, chard could be injured

[Michael K.]

He plays the first game of the season and looks like he could be damaged. I just do not see that as an unreasonable concern. Talent is great but winning ball games turns on being available to play. Charb was looking as being the more durable back. Though it could be walker having to carry the load this week, chard could be injured

Not what I saw. In the order of blame I would assign for why Walker didn't produce in Game 1 I would lay 50% of it on horseshit blocking and 45% of it on a ridiculous game plan by a coach that was scared of his own shadow!

[Donn Beach]

He plays the first game of the season and looks like he could be damaged. I just do not see that as an unreasonable concern. Talent is great but winning ball games turns on being available to play. Charb was looking as being the more durable back. Though it could be walker having to carry the load this week, chard could be injured

Not what I saw. In the order of blame I would assign for why Walker didn't produce in Game 1 I would lay 50% of it on horseshit blocking and 45% of it on a ridiculous game plan by a coach that was scared of his own shadow!

sure but there were issues with walker and explosiveness, hesitating. charb was putting up better YBC numbers

I think this was the impression

Hey, at least I voiced this concern in a follow-up article: "He has to hit the holes without hesitation." That isn't exactly what K9 did against the Niners. On his very first play from scrimmage, he picked up four yards. On his next run, he gained another four. Nice start, right? Then he fell into those old habits.

He ran right, took a couple of stutter steps behind Anthony Bradford and Abe Lucas, and was dropped for a one-yard loss. Then he ran up the middle and was buried for a three-yard loss. On Seattle's first drive of the second half, he was stopped for no gain. To that point, he had five carries for four yards.

Zach Charbonett wasn't exactly lighting up the scoreboard - except he literally did, as he had the Seahawks' first touchdown. But #26 had 34 yards by then, while Walker had those pitiful four. Same line, same scheme. The difference? Charbonett hit the line at full power every time, while K9 did whatever he was doing. Charbonett only had 47 yards on a dozen carries, but Walker finished with a measly 20 on 10 attempts.

[Donn Beach]

Michael, you brought up wondering why they picked Penny over chubb. i was looking at an article from Rob Stanton on the topic. He thinking it was a pretty big mistake. And it wasn't about overlooking Chubb, he was an ideal pick considering the seahawks qualifications for a RB. They had to have looked long and hard at him. Stanton thinks it could have come down to projected health

One of Pete Carroll or John Schneider (I can’t remember which) referenced that Penny received their highest ‘health’ grade going into the 2018 draft. I suspect this is what separated him from the pack. Carson, Prosise, Lacy and Thomas Rawls had all been banged up. They needed a durable runner who they could depend on — just as they’d been able to depend on Marshawn Lynch.

The problem is, Penny wasn’t tested in college. He was the starter at San Diego State for only one season.

Prior to the 2017 season, he backed up Donnel Pumphrey. You might recall that Pumphrey was a 5-8, 176lbs running back. It’s not often that a running back with that stature succeeds, however Pumphrey passed Ron Dayne for the all-time NCAA Division I FBS lead in career rushing yards in his final season.

So basically Penny started for only one season in a conference where a 5-8, 176lbs running back was able to set college records for rushing. This was never enough of a challenge to properly judge his durability, yet it appears to have been one of the determining factors.

[Nwadventure]

Sometimes hard to not get excited over all the yards Penny had @ SDSU- But then also need to remember SDSU opponents-

[Donn Beach]

terms of Walker vs Chard, this is august, this is what MM was saying about them

Walker's health has played a role, with the presumed starter missing the majority of practices during training camp. His return to practice over the weekend came on the heels of a positive showing from Charbonnet in the Seahawks' second preseason game -- five carries for 45 yards (9.0 YPC) and a touchdown.

Asked about Walker this week, Seahawks coach Mike Macdonald pointed to the missed reps while learning a new offense.

"There's a lot of walk-through reps that need to be had, but at some point, to your point, you've got to do it on the field so you feel confident to go out there and execute at a high level and play your best football," Macdonald said, via Brady Henderson of ESPN. "So that's something that we're working through."

Walker's missed time and Charbonnet's fit in Kubiak's scheme point toward a timeshare in Seattle.

At every turn this offseason, the coaching staff has glowed about Charbonnet.

"Zach, he's just a stud," Macdonald said. "He just does it every day. Same person, great spirit, strong as an ox, does everything right. I mean, what do you want from a football player? Zach Charbonnet."

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I'm not sure Charbo has good vision and when the blocking isn't good you need it.