Five worst 10-pass debuts in Seahawk history

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I think what it mainly revealed was how bad the protection and/or playcalling was in that game and throughout most of the season. Is Grubb not familiar with the concept of the play action pass?

[douche]

I think it's very easy to sit in the armchair at home and critique a player. Howell was put into a no-win situation. The coaching was weak, the scheme was weak, but... 'Hey Howell, get in there and git 'er done!' It's not as if the team was up a TD, Geno gets injured and Howell goes in to hand off the ball for the remainder of the game (although maybe he should have).

Even the really good QBs need time to scan the field. Again, better scheme. Or better players. Starting with QB protection.

Some people are intrigued with Howell's numbers with NY in 2023. Well... different team, different coaches, different environment, different scheme... plus he was the starter, so his mindset was different. I'm not defending Howell because let's face it, the Giants were 4-13 that season where Howell threw as many INTs as he did TDs. But to put a guy in cold in a game that you're losing and expecting him to play at a high level against a good team with no protection is delusional. These things need to be put into perspective.

It just illustrates how much further this team needs to improve in terms of personnel and coaching.

Again...this was the worst EVER, in 48 years of Seahawk football. By an established NFL QB. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything you said (especially the armchair QB part).

OK, it was the worst ever. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the coaching? The scheme? The lack of protection? None of that?

[DavidGee24]

OK, it was the worst ever. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the coaching? The scheme? The lack of protection? None of that?

Bro, the point is simply that this was the worst performance by a Seahawk QB ever in a protracted team debut, even worse than two of the worst QBs in franchise history on the worst offense in NFL history. That's it. Everyone else got it. What the hell is wrong with you?

[trharder]

OK, it was the worst ever. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the coaching? The scheme? The lack of protection? None of that?

Bro, the point is simply that this was the worst performance by a Seahawk QB ever in a protracted team debut, even worse than two of the worst QBs in franchise history on the worst offense in NFL history. That's it. Everyone else got it. What the hell is wrong with you?

So what. Those stats mean nothing when situationally it's always different.
We all saw it. Yes, it was dreadful. There's a medium size contingent of fans and sports writers that are hell bent on pumping up Geno
to signal their virtue. I'm not saying you are in that camp, David, but I'm saying you reposted an example of their bull shit.
I hate to be right, but just looking at Howell I wanted to punch his face when we hired him. He doesn't look like a starting QB.
But this dreadful performance was also helped by a complete lack of preparation for Howell running the offense. There've been times this
year where the Seahawks were either getting their ass kicked or in no danger of losing where MM chose not to put Howell in there to
give him some reps. There's one loss in particular (that I'm too lazy to look up), but if Howell would have been put in, not only would it
have saved Geno the beating, but it likely would have exposed what we saw on Sunday night.
What the fuck is Grubb thinking while he's making the play calls? Does he hate Howell? Does the O-line hate Howell? Does Howell even
know enough about the offense to change the play? Does he know enough to know the play has no chance and he should change the play?
I doubt Grubb will be the OC next year. Mark Schlereth on Wyman and Bob, and to a lesser degree, Brock Huard, have been saying part
of what makes or sinks an O-line is the scheming and play calling. They are strongly hinting Grubb sucks.

[Michael K.]

OK, it was the worst ever. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the coaching? The scheme? The lack of protection? None of that?

Geno is fourth in yards per game, but only has 14 TDs, which is good for 22nd. I think his poor decision making and a pathetic run game have more to do with it than the scheme or coaching. Howell wasn't a kid that has never played, he started 17 games in 2023.

Did the coaches, scheme, and protection change once Geno left?

Geno was 15 of 19
Howell was 5 of 14

Geno averaged 7.8 yards per attempt
Howell averaged 1.7 yards per attempt

On 22 drop backs, Geno was sacked 3 times.
On 18 drop backs, Howell was sacked 4 times.

Sorry, if you watched that game and left thinking this team would win a game the rest of the season with Sam Howell at QB? Than we are just going to have to disagree.

As for this being because he hadn't played this year? Again, the guy started 17 games last year. Sure, he might not be that comfortable running this offense, but he looked like he had never seen an NFL defense before!

[trharder]

Sorry, if you watched that game and left thinking this team would win a game the rest of the season with Sam Howell at QB? Than we are just going to have to disagree. As for this being because he hadn't played this year? Again, the guy started 17 games last year. Sure, he might not be that comfortable running this offense, but he looked like he had never seen an NFL defense before!

All reports are Geno will not only play, but he'll practice, so this discussion is likely dead. But
I can envision a scenario where the Seahawks could win a game with Howell. You can too, you are just being hyperbolic.
Regardless of how bad Howell is, it doesn't mean Geno and Grubb are good. Blaming Howell for the end of that game is white-washing
a terrible team/coaching performance.

[Michael K.]

Sorry, if you watched that game and left thinking this team would win a game the rest of the season with Sam Howell at QB? Than we are just going to have to disagree. As for this being because he hadn't played this year? Again, the guy started 17 games last year. Sure, he might not be that comfortable running this offense, but he looked like he had never seen an NFL defense before!

All reports are Geno will not only play, but he'll practice, so this discussion is likely dead. But
I can envision a scenario where the Seahawks could win a game with Howell. You can too, you are just being hyperbolic.
Regardless of how bad Howell is, it doesn't mean Geno and Grubb are good. Blaming Howell for the end of that game is white-washing
a terrible team/coaching performance.

I actually am not. THIS team, as it is currently constructed, isn't winning any game remaining on it's schedule with Sam Howell at QB. I have no doubt in my mind about that. I have watched a lot of football, and seen a lot of piss poor QB play. At the professional level? I've seen very little as bad as Sam Sunday Night. Maybe during COVID when Denver (I think it was Denver), had a WR play QB because all of their QBs were in the protocol.

It was that bad. He appeared to have zero ability to read a defense and even less ability to make a decision. HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. No other word but HORRIBLE.

[trharder]

THIS team, as it is currently constructed, isn't winning any game remaining on it's schedule with Sam Howell at QB. I have no doubt in my mind about that. I have watched a lot of football, and seen a lot of piss poor QB play. At the professional level? I've seen very little as bad as Sam Sunday Night. Maybe during COVID when Denver (I think it was Denver), had a WR play QB because all of their QBs were in the protocol.
It was that bad. He appeared to have zero ability to read a defense and even less ability to make a decision. HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE. No other word but HORRIBLE.

You are being hyperbolic again. As bad as Sam is, he has won games as an NFL QB. He wouldn't have gotten and NFL job if he hadn't been semi-competent in college. I have watched a lot of football and I've seen a lot of hysterical takes, like this one.

[Michael K.]

Youve seen a QB look worse than Sam did Sunday Night? You saw it AFTER another QB left the game and put up much better numbers? He was abysmal. Again, Geno didn't tear it up, but if not for a real bad Red Zone INT? Compared to Sam, Geno looked like Joe Montana. I am really not sure what game you watched, but it doesn't seem like the one I watched.

Again...

Geno was 15 of 19
Howell was 5 of 14

Geno averaged 7.8 yards per attempt
Howell averaged 1.7 yards per attempt

On 22 drop backs, Geno was sacked 3 times.
On 18 drop backs, Howell was sacked 4 times.

Same night, same game, same opponent.

[trharder]

Youve seen a QB look worse than Sam did Sunday Night? You saw it AFTER another QB left the game and put up much better numbers? He was abysmal. Again, Geno didn't tear it up, but if not for a real bad Red Zone INT? Compared to Sam, Geno looked like Joe Montana. I am really not sure what game you watched, but it doesn't seem like the one I watched.

Again...

Geno was 15 of 19
Howell was 5 of 14

Geno averaged 7.8 yards per attempt
Howell averaged 1.7 yards per attempt

On 22 drop backs, Geno was sacked 3 times.
On 18 drop backs, Howell was sacked 4 times.

Same night, same game, same opponent.

Again, hysterical ranting bull shit.