Grading the Draft

[Donn Beach]

I'm sure kubiak is fine with it, they aren't the same type of players, hill is listed as a TE for the saints, he's not a QB, Milroe is a QB

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Last year was the first of his career where he wasn't used as a QB part if not most of the time. He was a QB in college and he and Milroe are the same size.

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[Donn Beach]

The first two years he's listed as a QB, I don't know what they did with him but I'm going to assume they tried to develop a QB. After a couple years maybe they decide to do something different with Milroe but at this point they seem focused on developing a QB. I don't see why kubiak have an issue with that

"The way (the Saints) used (Hill) was more in a tight end-fullback hybrid role, sometimes taking snaps; Jalen is a quarterback through and through," Macdonald said via Michael-Shawn Dugar of The Athletic. "He's going to be trained to play quarterback for us. When he's in there, he's going to be playing quarterback. But the athleticism is going to come to life when he's on the field.

[Michael K.]

The first two years he's listed as a QB, I don't know what they did with him but I'm going to assume they tried to develop a QB. After a couple years maybe they decide to do something different with Milroe but at this point they seem focused on developing a QB. I don't see why kubiak have an issue with that

"The way (the Saints) used (Hill) was more in a tight end-fullback hybrid role, sometimes taking snaps; Jalen is a quarterback through and through," Macdonald said via Michael-Shawn Dugar of The Athletic. "He's going to be trained to play quarterback for us. When he's in there, he's going to be playing quarterback. But the athleticism is going to come to life when he's on the field.

The letters Q and B are literally listed on one side or the other of the slash as his position in the photo SH shared in every year but last year.

[Donn Beach]

The first two years he's listed as a QB, I don't know what they did with him but I'm going to assume they tried to develop a QB. After a couple years maybe they decide to do something different with Milroe but at this point they seem focused on developing a QB. I don't see why kubiak have an issue with that

"The way (the Saints) used (Hill) was more in a tight end-fullback hybrid role, sometimes taking snaps; Jalen is a quarterback through and through," Macdonald said via Michael-Shawn Dugar of The Athletic. "He's going to be trained to play quarterback for us. When he's in there, he's going to be playing quarterback. But the athleticism is going to come to life when he's on the field.

The letters Q and B are literally listed on one side or the other of the slash as his position in the photo SH shared in every year but last year.

Sure, but MM says they are not going to develop Milroe as anything other than a pure QB. Hill has the slash, hes been a hybrid,. Who knows maybe that changes in a couple years, and he is more like Hill with how they use him. Was Hill used strickly as a QB those first two years?

[Donn Beach]

Guess there's a rule aspect to what position hillis listed as

Don't look now, but Taysom Hill's official listed position has changed once again. Last year, the New Orleans Saints switched him from tight end to quarterback so they could take advantage of a new NFL rule allowing teams to dress a third passer without counting against the active gameday roster limit. But now the situation has changed with Spencer Rattler joining Derek Carr and Jake Haener on the depth chart.

With three true quarterbacks available, the Saints adjusted Hill's listed position accordingly. So how does this change things?

It won't mean much on Sundays. Hill has been practicing at fullback, tight end, slot receiver, and other alignments this summer while continuing his usual responsibilities as a runner out of the backfield. His listed position doesn't have anything to do with his usage in Klint Kubiak's offense.

Definition of a gadget player

In the NFL, a "gadget player" refers to a versatile offensive player who can line up in multiple positions and be used in a variety of ways, often with a focus on creating mismatches and disrupting defenses. They are not typically primary starters at any single position, but rather players who are deployed in unique and unexpected ways to exploit weaknesses in the opposing defense

[Donn Beach]

PFF top 25 players under 25, Witherspoon and Carter ranked 16 and 17, I think it was probably a wash who the Seahawks chose. Though I think Witherspoon's description there is more compelling. Interesting, he was sold as tough against the run and his PFF numbers back that up

16. CB Devon Witherspoon, Seattle Seahawks
Three-year grade: 85.0
Snaps played since 2022: 1,986
Average WAR since 2022: 0.57
Witherspoon has already proven to be one of the league’s most effective slot cornerbacks in all situations through his first two seasons, and he's a top-10 cornerback in PFF overall grade since 2022. The Illinois product is the only cornerback of the past two seasons to rank in the top 10 in PFF overall grade and the top five in PFF run defense grade
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He also boasts a 78.5 career PFF coverage grade, which ranks 17th over the past two seasons, and a 90.2 PFF pass-rush grade (sixth) on 72 pass-rush attempts, making him one of the league’s most effective weapons at the position.

17. DI Jalen Carter, Philadelphia Eagles
Three-year grade: 83.5
Snaps played since 2022: 1,666
Average WAR since 2022: 0.34
Carter debuted with an excellent rookie season in 2023, earning top-10 marks for his position in PFF overall grade (87.4) and PFF pass-rush grade (84.6). That led to big expectations for Year 2 as he greatly increased his workload.

While Carter didn’t improve his PFF overall grade, he did continue to deliver the high-end pass-rush upside that we’d expect from a former top-10 pick, ranking in the top five in PFF pass-rush grade (84.4) and pressures (75), and in the top 10 in win rate (12.9%).

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Sure, but MM says they are not going to develop Milroe as anything other than a pure QB. Hill has the slash, hes been a hybrid,. Who knows maybe that changes in a couple years, and he is more like Hill with how they use him. Was Hill used strickly as a QB those first two years?

I'm not sure. Going by pro-football-reference numbers he hardly got on the field his rookie season, then had 37 rush attempts and 7 targets along with 6 pass attempts his second year. I would assume he was at QB on almost all those plays. Then his targets jumped to 22 his 3rd year so perhaps that's when he started taking snaps at wideout. I assume PFR listed his positions based on snap numbers, although i'm not sure how he got 39 rush attempts last season playing exclusively as a TE.

[Nwadventure]

Looking forward to this season of newness- Super Pumped- Hopefully after week 5, we are not 1-4- Just win baby ! lol

[Donn Beach]

Sure, but MM says they are not going to develop Milroe as anything other than a pure QB. Hill has the slash, hes been a hybrid,. Who knows maybe that changes in a couple years, and he is more like Hill with how they use him. Was Hill used strickly as a QB those first two years?

I'm not sure. Going by pro-football-reference numbers he hardly got on the field his rookie season, then had 37 rush attempts and 7 targets along with 6 pass attempts his second year. I would assume he was at QB on almost all those plays. Then his targets jumped to 22 his 3rd year so perhaps that's when he started taking snaps at wideout. I assume PFR listed his positions based on snap numbers, although i'm not sure how he got 39 rush attempts last season playing exclusively as a TE.

There's always Wikipedia, so it looks like he originally played special teams . Hill and Milroe don't seem that similar, not sure why the comparisons came up in the first place

After being waived by the Packers following the 2017 preseason, Hill was signed to the Saints' practice squad before being elevated to the active roster and was used as a special teamer during his rookie season. In the off-season of his second season, Hill's role was expanded, and he became a utility player for the Saints in 2018 on offense and special teams. Hill has played running back, wide receiver, tight end, fullback, and quarterback on offense and kick returner, gunner, and general special teamer on special teams