Grading the Draft

[Donn Beach]

I wasn't responding to if he's DK or not, I was responding to that

. Why not draft a TE and try to make him a deep threat

Take a look, he's a deep threat type of TE.
https://youtu.be/k0thd0YtA-I?si=Ob_4iHRkNeED3YpQ

[Michael K.]

Kinda interesting, Elijah Arroyo as a Metcalf replacement

"Arroyo's size, speed and route-running ability led new offensive coordinator Klint Kubiak to wonder aloud during predraft meetings whether he could essentially take over as Seattle's X receiver after DK Metcalf was traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers this offseason," Henderson wrote

"This guy can run an extensive route tree," Macdonald said, per Henderson. "To have to account for a tight end body on the field and him also to be able to split out wide, do X receiver type of things, bigger body than we probably have right now on our roster, just provides a ton of value. And then he's going to throw it in there as an actual tight end in line and be able to kind of create some of those bigger personnel formations is the vision that we have for him. So it's really exciting."

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/seahawk ... dk-metcalf

I ORIGINALLY disagreed with this, so you ran around the internet finding more bullshit making it sound like some fucking fifth round rookie TE was going to be a Metcalf replacement. Sorry, it aint happening.

[Michael K.]

I wasn't responding to if he's DK or not, I was responding to that

. Why not draft a TE and try to make him a deep threat

Take a look, he's a deep threat type of TE.
https://youtu.be/k0thd0YtA-I?si=Ob_4iHRkNeED3YpQ

Yep, zero difference between a TE running a sub 4.7 and Metcalf running a sub 4.3. But yes Donn, this fifth round rookie TE is going to step in and take the top off of defenses making us all forget about DK Metcalf. Fucking A man.

One day ago you tell us he's a DK replacement, and then post this bullshit about how you weren't responding to that. Why? Because it's utter non sense and you know it? Why post the bullshit then?

[Donn Beach]

Start making shit up to your hearts content Michael. I never said he was DK, in fact I said it sounded like hype to me. But arroyo is a deep threat type of player. Now if kubiak can make him into another DK good for him, that was his comment not mine

[Michael K.]

I quoted what you said.

Kinda interesting, Elijah Arroyo as a Metcalf replacement.

Those were YOUR words, before you quoted a comment that you felt supported it. I know it is really hard for you to not remain completely neutral, never give an opinion, and claim to be a victim. You are impossible. Again, scroll up a bit. Those are YOUR words. I bolded them, underlined them and put them in italics, just for you. You still claim you didn't say it.

If this organization hired a new OC that believes that a 5th round rookie TE that ran a 4.69 40 yard dash is replacing DK? Shame on them. If you read it and believed it? I wish I was surprised. Dude, that is ridiculous. If you are going to say shit like that, I am going to let you know I don't agree. You then spent the next two pages quoting bullshit you thought made your argument.

4.69 and 4.33. No comparison.
5th round TE and 2nd round WR? Not the same.

He is NOT going to replace Metcalf. You LITTERALY typed the words Elijah Arroyo as a Metcalf replacement...and now want to cry victim because I disagree? Christ sakes man. What did I make up? I showed you exactly what you said. I realize you go batshit crazy from time to time, but I put it on this damn page dude!

[Donn Beach]

Kinda interesting, Elijah Arroyo as a Metcalf replacement

Yeah, read it, its says, "as a", it's referring to the information presented in the quotes, it's not an opinion if he is or not. It was referencing the title of the article
https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/seahawk ... dk-metcalf

I also said

.That deal with Arroyo sounds like a bit of hype, both him and kubiak, we shall see

Arroyo was a second round pick, 50th overall, DK was 64th

[Donn Beach]

. Analyst Max Browne believes Milroe has an immense ceiling, saying he's "instantly the most dangerous offensive weapon for the Seahawks." He admitted that Milroe "needs time to develop as a passer and "has a tendency to bail on plays too early." Even so, he said he might be the most electric player in the league6

[Michael K.]

Kinda interesting, Elijah Arroyo as a Metcalf replacement

Yeah, read it, its says, "as a", it's referring to the information presented in the quotes, it's not an opinion if he is or not. It was referencing the title of the article
https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/seahawk ... dk-metcalf

I also said

.That deal with Arroyo sounds like a bit of hype, both him and kubiak, we shall see

Arroyo was a second round pick, 50th overall, DK was 64th

Good catch. Let me be very clear here. I don't give a shit what round he was drafted. A TE running 4.69 aint replacing DK.

[Donn Beach]

I'm dubious about getting real production out of the TE position generally. That type of player, we complain about graham but I think the issue is pretty common. How about Noah Fant, he was supposed to be an offensive force. He's forgotten now, don't hear kubiak talking about utilizing Fant. It's like kubiak has a new toy that he's excited about, if he can actually get 1000 yards of production out of Arroyo I will be impressed but talk is cheap

Fant profile from the draft

Pass-catching tight end with the length, acceleration and speed to create matchup challenges both short and long. Fant is at his best in open space and on the move as his catch-focus appears to wane when coverage crowds him or he hears footsteps. He needs to get stronger and more competitive at the point of attack to help a run game, but if that never happens, his ability to uncover and hit big plays will still make him a coveted prize for teams ready to add a move tight end as their new matchup toy.

That's what I think they are getting at comparing arroyo to DK, a matchup headache. But you always hear that about some TE, Fant was a matchup headache

I think because of the hash marks or whatever it's easier for that type of player to put up production in college, it doesn't seem to translate to the NFL that easily

[Michael K.]

It always amazes me. You have teams like the Chiefs that make great use of their talented TE, and then you have teams like the Falcons that can't seem to figure out how to use the guy that was supposedly the most talented TE to come out of college in a long time. As a Fantasy Football player, I realize the crap shoot that is production out of the TE. Seattle is far from alone in middling stats from the TE position.

Detroit had a rookie that had freak production two years ago, and was pretty pedestrian last year. It'll be interesting if the same thing happens to Bowers in Vegas. Matchup Nightmare cracks me up. The league has gotten smaller at LB and the Safeties are freaks. I don't think there is really such a thing anymore, a matchup Nightmare at TE. It's also a big reason the run game seems to be back in style. You want to go smaller on Defense? OK, we'll pound the rock at you.