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[Donn Beach]

check out the Commanders, i am constantly intrigued with the moves they make since they were sold. Here they are like the total opposite of the Seahawks. They already took their Oline from one of the worst to one of the best. So what's their big off season move this time? Well lets invest more in the Oline, wild

Their biggest move was a bold trade of third- and seventh-round picks, a future second-round pick and a swap of fourth-round picks for Tunsil. The irony of the trade was that Houston badly needs offensive line help, and the Commanders didn't have to upgrade -- Brandon Coleman posted above average pass block and run block win rates as a rookie last season. But Tunsil is a high-end pass blocker despite leading all players in penalties last season.

[Michael K.]

check out the Commanders, i am constantly intrigued with the moves they make since they were sold. Here they are like the total opposite of the Seahawks. They already took their Oline from one of the worst to one of the best. So what's their big off season move this time? Well lets invest more in the Oline, wild

Their biggest move was a bold trade of third- and seventh-round picks, a future second-round pick and a swap of fourth-round picks for Tunsil. The irony of the trade was that Houston badly needs offensive line help, and the Commanders didn't have to upgrade -- Brandon Coleman posted above average pass block and run block win rates as a rookie last season. But Tunsil is a high-end pass blocker despite leading all players in penalties last season.

Philly? Good O Line. Detroit? Good O Line. Washington? Good O Line. Remind me again who played in the NFC Divisional Round? That's right, those three and the Rams.

Continually focusing on the O Line isn't that intriguing, in my opinion. It's what good teams do. Seattle goes cheap and then makes excuses. Schneider is a douche bag who's act has worn out if you ask me. There are five starters on the O Line. Name another unit that starts five? If you have a Nickel back you could say the secondary. But otherwise? Investing in the O Line is just smart football. Something that is apparently lost here....yet no one cares.

[Donn Beach]

check out the Commanders, i am constantly intrigued with the moves they make since they were sold. Here they are like the total opposite of the Seahawks. They already took their Oline from one of the worst to one of the best. So what's their big off season move this time? Well lets invest more in the Oline, wild

Their biggest move was a bold trade of third- and seventh-round picks, a future second-round pick and a swap of fourth-round picks for Tunsil. The irony of the trade was that Houston badly needs offensive line help, and the Commanders didn't have to upgrade -- Brandon Coleman posted above average pass block and run block win rates as a rookie last season. But Tunsil is a high-end pass blocker despite leading all players in penalties last season.

Philly? Good O Line. Detroit? Good O Line. Washington? Good O Line. Remind me again who played in the NFC Divisional Round? That's right, those three and the Rams.

Continually focusing on the O Line isn't that intriguing, in my opinion. It's what good teams do. Seattle goes cheap and then makes excuses. Schneider is a douche bag who's act has worn out if you ask me. There are five starters on the O Line. Name another unit that starts five? If you have a Nickel back you could say the secondary. But otherwise? Investing in the O Line is just smart football. Something that is apparently lost here....yet no one cares.

that's what i am saying, its the one unit i seem to be interested in enough to really follow what other teams are doing, more than defensive lines really. So anyway I am looking some more. I guess I overvalued the commander Oline, more like the most improved Oline as opposed to one of the best. But still, Peters used his first round pick on an Oline man as well as trading for Tunsil. They are probably going to have four new starters this season. Could you imagine the Seahawks line being the most improved Oline in the NFL and JS going ahead and replacing it? Peters has got to be the polar opposite of JS in that respect. And I bet generally Peters is considered the sharpest tool in the shed these days

[Donn Beach]

the thing that wins football games is depth, with all the concern with Lucas' health there was absolutely no depth behind him. At one point they had to go with that guy, the rookie making his first NFL start that hadn't played division one ball, that's insane. And again, it was obvious they were going to need help there. It gets used as an excuse, the Oline suffered injuries, well duh.

That's probably the most important aspect to what Peters is doing

The former veteran tight end of eight NFL seasons pointed out the obvious that Laremy Tunsil and Josh Conerly are the headlines. "But to me, the thing that makes this group different is the fact that maybe you have ten dudes who can play ball for you in a pinch."

Then, remembering another, he said, "And we haven't talked about Chris Paul yet." Hoffman interjected, "I don't know how Michael Deiter (G/C) makes the roster. And Michael Deiter has been in the NFL a long time. That's a good thing."

[Donn Beach]

and its interesting too, if there's a guy that likes a good offensive line its Sean Payton, as opposed to JS. And there they are PFF has the Broncos 2nd. That didn't take Payton long to do

[Michael K.]

the thing that wins football games is depth, with all the concern with Lucas' health there was absolutely no depth behind him. At one point they had to go with that guy, the rookie making his first NFL start that hadn't played division one ball, that's insane. And again, it was obvious they were going to need help there. It gets used as an excuse, the Oline suffered injuries, well duh.

Well, the starters on the interior suck, so what does that say about the depth? IMO? They are TOO worried about Depth. Look at all the scrap parts they always go out and get, instead of investing in some studs and THEN getting spare parts. They have almost NEVER made it a priority in the draft, but will then draft like three or four guys in the middle rounds or when they do use early draft capital they swing and miss...besides maybe Cross. And even he might be playing a tad bit under his draft slot. They complain about a lack of continuity, and then never extend anyone, and about every two years or so are playing musical chairs, so they can again blame a lack of continuity when it doesn't work.

O Line is a position of high value, and they treat it as an after thought, have for years, it is biting them in the ass, and all they do is fire coaches to defer from the actual issue. I'm sure the O Line will be average to poor this year, and everyone will blame play calling, or the QB holding the ball too long, or what ever Bullshit the media and fan base have bought into for Schneider's entire fucking career here. The guy has zero clue how to build an O Line, and he is too fucking arrogantly proud to admit it, so he just doubles down by continuing to do the same old shit that hasn't worked in the past, waiting for a different result.

[douche]

When PC was here, him and Schneider were all about 'thinking outside the box', which included pulling players off the scrap heap in an attempt to save money. They mostly avoided splashy signings and high profile players, instead opting for hard working, under the radar players with an aim to mold and develop them.

PC is long since gone and now it's Schneider's show. He still seems to mostly avoid the splashy signings and name brand players. And to me, it would appear that his idea of how to assemble a roster (more specifically, an offensive line) still follows that same 'outside the box' approach.

As Donn posted earlier, the team appears to be looking for solid players that are capable of doing a lot. Not bad in theory, perhaps, but still unsure how it will translate to the playbook and the field. And if that approach does indeed work, then it could take awhile to see results.

[Donn Beach]

the thing that wins football games is depth, with all the concern with Lucas' health there was absolutely no depth behind him. At one point they had to go with that guy, the rookie making his first NFL start that hadn't played division one ball, that's insane. And again, it was obvious they were going to need help there. It gets used as an excuse, the Oline suffered injuries, well duh.

Well, the starters on the interior suck, so what does that say about the depth? IMO? They are TOO worried about Depth. Look at all the scrap parts they always go out and get, instead of investing in some studs and THEN getting spare parts. They have almost NEVER made it a priority in the draft, but will then draft like three or four guys in the middle rounds or when they do use early draft capital they swing and miss...besides maybe Cross. And even he might be playing a tad bit under his draft slot. They complain about a lack of continuity, and then never extend anyone, and about every two years or so are playing musical chairs, so they can again blame a lack of continuity when it doesn't work.

O Line is a position of high value, and they treat it as an after thought, have for years, it is biting them in the ass, and all they do is fire coaches to defer from the actual issue. I'm sure the O Line will be average to poor this year, and everyone will blame play calling, or the QB holding the ball too long, or what ever Bullshit the media and fan base have bought into for Schneider's entire fucking career here. The guy has zero clue how to build an O Line, and he is too fucking arrogantly proud to admit it, so he just doubles down by continuing to do the same old shit that hasn't worked in the past, waiting for a different result.

That's a point...The other thing is how Pete got blamed for everything. Pete went along with it, he was culpable, he did have final say. But I always felt it was unfair to believe Pete was making the decisions. I really feel he relied on JS to supply talent, JS has always been the GM. At the very least they were in agreement

[Donn Beach]

When PC was here, him and Schneider were all about 'thinking outside the box', which included pulling players off the scrap heap in an attempt to save money. They mostly avoided splashy signings and high profile players, instead opting for hard working, under the radar players with an aim to mold and develop them.

PC is long since gone and now it's Schneider's show. He still seems to mostly avoid the splashy signings and name brand players. And to me, it would appear that his idea of how to assemble a roster (more specifically, an offensive line) still follows that same 'outside the box' approach.

As Donn posted earlier, the team appears to be looking for solid players that are capable of doing a lot. Not bad in theory, perhaps, but still unsure how it will translate to the playbook and the field. And if that approach does indeed work, then it could take awhile to see results.

they invested in retaining players, that had been the deal with the LOB. Seemed to me they came up with this budget Oline idea then to pay for those second contracts, as well as RW. Cable got blamed for it, then Pete, and now we are stuck with JS to blame

[Michael K.]

they invested in retaining players, that had been the deal with the LOB. Seemed to me they came up with this budget Oline idea then to pay for those second contracts, as well as RW. Cable got blamed for it, then Pete, and now we are stuck with JS to blame

They handed us Cable. There was a lot made of the fact that he told both John and Pete that he hated college O Lineman because of the way the college game was played. Then they would talk at lengths about how they converted a DT, or a basketball player, because that is what Cable wanted. John and Pete gladly let Cable eat the blame then.

As for after Cable was gone? John had an easy out, because Pete was VP of Football Ops. Technically John's boss. It was an easy way for JS to evade criticism. I think he's a slippery fucking snake, that has spent a decade doing shit that didn't work but getting away with it.