A 'Datt A Boy" for Penny

[Michael K.]

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Saying "if he had enough carries" when describing Penny is ridiculous. As a rookie he didn't even supplant Mike Davis as rhe backup until half the season was over. He wasn't ready for the NFL.

[D-train]

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Saying "if he had enough carries" when describing Penny is ridiculous. As a rookie he didn't even supplant Mike Davis as rhe backup until half the season was over. He wasn't ready for the NFL.

I swear to GOD I thought of you saying that when I saw the "IF only he had enough carries".

[SeattleAddict]

How the fk. is a 5.1 YPC average not good rate production?
Even reception percentage is pretty good= 76%?

Have you watched him play ever? People that spout off stats without context just show lack of football IQ.

Penny has ONE SKILL - running straight forward. If there is a giant hole, he runs thru it. That is it. Anybody that has watched the kid for the past 4 years has seen this. If he has 5 carries in a game, he goes 0,0,1,0 then 25 yards thru a gaping hole that I could run through with D-Train on my back and averages 5YPC before pulling his hammy. People like you say "wow, he averaged 5 YPC, he should be in the HOF!

This has been his pattern since he got here. He has gotten zero 'extra' yards, broken no tackles, shows no vision - he just runs straight and hopes there's nobody there. For whatever reason, he seems to manage one run per game where there's a big gaping hole and gains 20 yards, though. Give ANY college-level RB that same hole and you get the same result. When you only run the ball 3 or 4 times per game, one big run really changes the numbers.

Stats lie. Watch some tape.

[Captain 97]

Freddy Swain is at 6.4 Yards per carry. Maybe we should make him the feature back.

Its all about the situation that those carries come in. Coming in on 3rd and 20 and running a draw to get yourselves a little breathing room for a punt is a lot different then lining up and trying to run between the tackles on first down on every single series. Penny has 204 career Carries in 33 games for an average of 6.2 Carries per game. He has never shown he is able to carry the Load that a feature back needs to. For comparison Carson has carried the ball 769 times in 49 games for an average of 15.7 carries per game.

[Michael K.]

You are both correct. We have had the yards per carry debate in here before, and someone broke down Penny's runs. The number of 0 and negative gains we astounding.

That said, in his rookie year he made progress at the end, and again the next year. Both times that progress was thwarted by injuries. I thought we saw the same on Sunday. Let's hope this time he continues it and stays healthy.

[D-train]

You are both correct. We have had the yards per carry debate in here before, and someone broke down Penny's runs. The number of 0 and negative gains we astounding.

That said, in his rookie year he made progress at the end, and again the next year. Both times that progress was thwarted by injuries. I thought we saw the same on Sunday. Let's hope this time he continues it and stays healthy.

I am definitely hoping for the best but I wonder if the Rams d Line will be spending the next few days reading about Penny's huge breakout game and maybe watching of little video of his 16 carries.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I have a feeling Aaron Donald will be introducing himself brusquely and brutally to Rashad Penny this Sunday.

[SeattleAddict]

I have a feeling Aaron Donald will be introducing himself brusquely and brutally to Rashad Penny this Sunday.

Rumor has it Penny tweaked an ankle when he heard the name Aaron Donald mentioned.

[Pharmabro]

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Saying "if he had enough carries" when describing Penny is ridiculous. As a rookie he didn't even supplant Mike Davis as rhe backup until half the season was over. He wasn't ready for the NFL.

I swear to GOD I thought of you saying that when I saw the "IF only he had enough carries".

The thing is fellas he has over a thousand yards so the extremely small sample size is out the window. He did not have a history of injuries in college. He does in the NFL. Aurora does have a point when he points out poster's "pride" in their eagerness to slam Pete or John for their decisions. From my armchair I could totally see DK was wide open from the sky view camera, Russ Sucks! shit is all-over this forum.

The same goes for you bullshitters patting each other on the back. " I don't care if he averaged 5+ YPC" It was against a shitty D." No Sherlock, he averaged 7+ against the shitty D and 5+ vs the league. SMall sample size! See we hot him!

[auroraave]

Rashaad Penny led the nation in rushing in 2017. Nick Chubb didn't even crack the top 20.
Penny was a consensus All American - Chubb was not even nominated.
To even suggest Penny was a bad pick when comparing the two side by side is laughable. in 2017, Penny had over 2,200 yards, including nearly 400 against Stanford and ASU. MWC player of the year, both on offense and special teams.

IS anyone aware of any of this? Of course not. Whereas Chubb is indeed a solid running back, no question, and Penny is no hero to me, comparing the two based on their college careers, and factoring in Penny was never injured his entire career, and saying it was a bad pick, simply is not a reasonable position. This is the info Seattle had when they picked him. It was a completely reasonable pick - for a team that had no RB's left.

People can lament his professional injuries, and embrace Chubb's NFL career, but the opposing trajectories were not data anyone had to crunch. The available data favored Penny. The only arguments anyone seems to make, are in hindsight. Unfortunately, no one has that ability on draft day. That's why it's called risk.

The second fallacy, is that Chubb would replicate his Cleveland production in Seattle. That is a completely false assumption. People can cling to that, but it is not a position of strength to argue from. Different coaches, different scheme, different personnel, different field, different weather, different playing surface, different division, different competition. The list of variables goes on and on. To believe Chubb duplicates his Cleveland production, or never having any injuries, despite Seattle RB's long history of injuries, as a basis for Penny being a bad pick is simply not a logical assumption. No rational mind would ever accept that.

Being mad at Penny for getting injured, also does not make it a bad pick. It was a good pick, a logical pick. All the complaints are based on hindsight and false assumptions of duplicate production. Theoretically, Chubb could exceed that production, roughly have the same, or have less. You cannot assume anything about what Chubb's production in Seattle would be. What if he tore an ACL on day one - would the same people be bitching about how they shoulda drafted Penny? Probably.

The arguments against Penny are emotional, not logical. An All American running back who led the nation in rushing, was 5th in the Heisman voting, and had no history of injuries, getting drafted by a team who's entire RB room was decimated by injuries, is not an illogical pick. Yeah, the injuries suck, but that doesn't make it the wrong pick - just bad luck - the same luck every single team faces with every single pick.