Regarded as a first round pick in the 2015 NFL Draft and likely top ten prospect, Collins started to drop when it was announced that he was scheduled to talk to the Louisiana State police days after the draft, about the shooting death of a pregnant woman with whom he previously had a relationship, even though he was not considered a suspect in the crime. He eventually went undrafted after his agents threatened that he would sit out the season and enter the 2016 NFL Draft, if any NFL team selected him after the third round.
I guess Jalen Carter will now be there at 5.
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Re: I guess Jalen Carter will now be there at 5.
La'el Collins, went undrafted, didn't actually do anything wrong
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I wonder why they would avoid a player like this??? Did they have a bad experience with it or something???Donn Beach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:12 amreally begs the question what to do with Carter.
Here is Staton on the topic, has more details about the incident if you're interested. It really does screw the hawks
If you’ve been reading my articles over the last couple of weeks, you’ll know we’ve raised the regularity with which John Schneider and Pete Carroll are hailing the attitude of the 2022 class, noting it was integral to their early success. We’ve also come to learn Kayvon Thibodeaux wasn’t a consideration for the Seahawks, presumably due to his obsession with his personal brand.This is a very concerning development. If this situation is unresolved before the draft, how can any team draft Carter? They can’t. That’s how serious this is.
And it seems a virtual certainty at this point that he won’t be on Seattle’s board.http://seahawksdraftblog.com/identifyin ... raft-classI’m going to make a prediction. I think, based on Seattle’s need on the defensive line, that Anderson will be the player they possibly covet the most in round one. I think he’s possibly the one player they’ll bypass a quarterback for.
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Re: I guess Jalen Carter will now be there at 5.
post of the year!D-train wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 2:32 pmI wonder why they would avoid a player like this??? Did they have a bad experience with it or something???Donn Beach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:12 amreally begs the question what to do with Carter.
Here is Staton on the topic, has more details about the incident if you're interested. It really does screw the hawks
If you’ve been reading my articles over the last couple of weeks, you’ll know we’ve raised the regularity with which John Schneider and Pete Carroll are hailing the attitude of the 2022 class, noting it was integral to their early success. We’ve also come to learn Kayvon Thibodeaux wasn’t a consideration for the Seahawks, presumably due to his obsession with his personal brand.This is a very concerning development. If this situation is unresolved before the draft, how can any team draft Carter? They can’t. That’s how serious this is.
And it seems a virtual certainty at this point that he won’t be on Seattle’s board.http://seahawksdraftblog.com/identifyin ... raft-classI’m going to make a prediction. I think, based on Seattle’s need on the defensive line, that Anderson will be the player they possibly covet the most in round one. I think he’s possibly the one player they’ll bypass a quarterback for.
Re: I guess Jalen Carter will now be there at 5.
Seahawks accomplish 1 of their combine goals: Get the NFL thinking they’d take a QB at 5
BY GREGG BELL UPDATED MARCH 03, 2023
The Raiders, Falcons and Panthers heard them. People in Chicago heard them, too. So much so, one report from there cited Seattle as a potential trade partner with the Bears up to the first-overall pick in April’s draft. “Pete Carroll’s QB remarks put Seahawks on Bears’ radar for No. 1 pick trade” was the amusing headline from NBC Sports Chicago.
That was after Seattle’s coach said on the first day of the annual NFL scouting combine: “It’s the position that we are in. We are totally connected to the quarterbacks that are coming out. This is a really huge opportunity for us. It’s a rare opportunity for us. We’ve been drafting in the low 20s for such a long time, you just don’t get the chance for these guys. So we’re deeply involved with all of them.”
Before the first prospect ran his 40-yard dash, the Seahawks succeeded in one of their chief objectives at the combine. They got the rest of the league thinking Seattle is strongly considering taking a top quarterback with the fifth pick in the draft — even while honing in on an expected, new multiyear contract with Pro Bowl QB Geno Smith.
Why would the Seahawks consider that? “Because they don’t grow on trees,” Seahawks general manager John Schneider said of elite, franchise-ready quarterbacks. “It’s probably the hardest position to acquire talent that everyone feels very confident in.”
That, to the league, is a sign the Seahawks are serious about drafting at five a quarterback on top of re-signing Smith. Whether they actually are or not, the perception creates a signal that Seattle’s fifth pick is up for trade bidding for QB-needy teams.
Potential suitors abound. Las Vegas, Atlanta and Carolina pick seven, eight and nine, respectively, behind Seattle. All need a quarterback, after cutting their starters from 2022. Or do you think the Raiders are going to roll with Jarrett Stidham and Chase Garbers for 2023? Those are the only quarterbacks currently on the Las Vegas’ roster, after the Raiders let go of Derek Carr recently.
PANTHERS ARE INTRIGUING
The Panthers have the ninth pick. They are particularly intriguing to the Seahawks. Carolina’s general manager is Scott Fitterer. Before he got that job, the 49-year-old was a Seahawks scout, director of college scouting, co-director of player personnel and vice president of football operations for Schneider from 2010 through ‘20. Those were the first 10 years Schneider and Carroll ran the Seahawks.
Wednesday at the combine, Fitterer made it clear his Panthers are in the market to trade up from nine to draft a quarterback. Seattle trading down from five with Carolina could net the Seahawks another first-round pick in 2024, and still allow them to four picks in the first 52 to draft defensive-front help and/or quarterback. Fitterer said it would be best for the Panthers to trade into a spot to get a rookie quarterback to develop, rather than stopgap with another temporary veteran the likes of Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield and P.J. Walker Carolina tried for at least five starts each last season.
The Seahawks, for whom Fitterer worked under GM John Schneider from 2010-20, own the fifth pick in the 2023 NFL draft. Associated Press Ideally, the Panthers want to trade up before free agency begins March 15. That’s so they know how hard to go after a veteran QB on the market, versus the likelihood of drafting an elite college passer among, say, the top five picks.
“That’s obviously one of the things you have to look at. Because if you if you want to go that veteran route, that’s going to happen a lot earlier and those guys are gone,” Fitterer said inside the Indiana Convention Center.
“That’s why we’re going to take this week to get all the answers that we need to get. We’ve talked to a lot of the young quarterbacks, the ones in the draft here. But yes, I think the next two weeks is very important. “I think in an ideal world you always want to draft the quarterback; draft, develop and then have that guy here for five, 10 years. ...There’s so many benefits to drafting and developing. That is the right route to go. We’ll see if we can get in a position where we get one of the guys we like. ... “I don’t think it’s wrong to necessarily look at the veteran route, if you can’t (trade up in the draft). But in an ideal world, you do want to draft. “You go get the guy that you want. If you have conviction on a guy, you go get him. It’s pretty simple that way.”
SEAHAWKS AND GENO SMITH'S CONTRACT
The Seahawks’ plans hinge on how long of a contract they get done with Smith. A two- or three-year deal has been expected for the 32-year-old who came off seven years of being an NFL backup to breaking Russell Wilson’s season passing records in 2022. If Smith signs for two or three years, with attractive cash guarantees up front, the Seahawks still would be in the market to draft a quarterback for the future, beyond Smith’s new deal ending.
They don’t know when they will be picking fifth again. Carroll, 71, and Schneider hope its not while they are still running the Seahawks. They only are at five, the team’s highest pick the year before Carroll and Schneider took over the Seahawks, 2009, because Wilson and his Broncos flopped to 5-12 this past season. That was after Wilson engineered Seattle trading him to Denver 12 months ago.
This is a generational pick for the Seahawks. If Carroll and Schneider were ever to draft a quarterback first, it’s this spring. This year’s is a draft with multiple QBs scouts believe can start right away in the NFL, such as Bryce Young from Alabama, Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud and perhaps Florida’s Anthony Richardson .
“We have not been in this situation. We have not felt like this, ever,” Carroll said. “So all of the build up to it has been exciting, and we’re hoping to obviously max out everything we can with it. “We know that the opportunity is something special, so we’re looking forward to it and we’ll see how it goes.”
BY GREGG BELL UPDATED MARCH 03, 2023
The Raiders, Falcons and Panthers heard them. People in Chicago heard them, too. So much so, one report from there cited Seattle as a potential trade partner with the Bears up to the first-overall pick in April’s draft. “Pete Carroll’s QB remarks put Seahawks on Bears’ radar for No. 1 pick trade” was the amusing headline from NBC Sports Chicago.
That was after Seattle’s coach said on the first day of the annual NFL scouting combine: “It’s the position that we are in. We are totally connected to the quarterbacks that are coming out. This is a really huge opportunity for us. It’s a rare opportunity for us. We’ve been drafting in the low 20s for such a long time, you just don’t get the chance for these guys. So we’re deeply involved with all of them.”
Before the first prospect ran his 40-yard dash, the Seahawks succeeded in one of their chief objectives at the combine. They got the rest of the league thinking Seattle is strongly considering taking a top quarterback with the fifth pick in the draft — even while honing in on an expected, new multiyear contract with Pro Bowl QB Geno Smith.
Why would the Seahawks consider that? “Because they don’t grow on trees,” Seahawks general manager John Schneider said of elite, franchise-ready quarterbacks. “It’s probably the hardest position to acquire talent that everyone feels very confident in.”
That, to the league, is a sign the Seahawks are serious about drafting at five a quarterback on top of re-signing Smith. Whether they actually are or not, the perception creates a signal that Seattle’s fifth pick is up for trade bidding for QB-needy teams.
Potential suitors abound. Las Vegas, Atlanta and Carolina pick seven, eight and nine, respectively, behind Seattle. All need a quarterback, after cutting their starters from 2022. Or do you think the Raiders are going to roll with Jarrett Stidham and Chase Garbers for 2023? Those are the only quarterbacks currently on the Las Vegas’ roster, after the Raiders let go of Derek Carr recently.
PANTHERS ARE INTRIGUING
The Panthers have the ninth pick. They are particularly intriguing to the Seahawks. Carolina’s general manager is Scott Fitterer. Before he got that job, the 49-year-old was a Seahawks scout, director of college scouting, co-director of player personnel and vice president of football operations for Schneider from 2010 through ‘20. Those were the first 10 years Schneider and Carroll ran the Seahawks.
Wednesday at the combine, Fitterer made it clear his Panthers are in the market to trade up from nine to draft a quarterback. Seattle trading down from five with Carolina could net the Seahawks another first-round pick in 2024, and still allow them to four picks in the first 52 to draft defensive-front help and/or quarterback. Fitterer said it would be best for the Panthers to trade into a spot to get a rookie quarterback to develop, rather than stopgap with another temporary veteran the likes of Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield and P.J. Walker Carolina tried for at least five starts each last season.
The Seahawks, for whom Fitterer worked under GM John Schneider from 2010-20, own the fifth pick in the 2023 NFL draft. Associated Press Ideally, the Panthers want to trade up before free agency begins March 15. That’s so they know how hard to go after a veteran QB on the market, versus the likelihood of drafting an elite college passer among, say, the top five picks.
“That’s obviously one of the things you have to look at. Because if you if you want to go that veteran route, that’s going to happen a lot earlier and those guys are gone,” Fitterer said inside the Indiana Convention Center.
“That’s why we’re going to take this week to get all the answers that we need to get. We’ve talked to a lot of the young quarterbacks, the ones in the draft here. But yes, I think the next two weeks is very important. “I think in an ideal world you always want to draft the quarterback; draft, develop and then have that guy here for five, 10 years. ...There’s so many benefits to drafting and developing. That is the right route to go. We’ll see if we can get in a position where we get one of the guys we like. ... “I don’t think it’s wrong to necessarily look at the veteran route, if you can’t (trade up in the draft). But in an ideal world, you do want to draft. “You go get the guy that you want. If you have conviction on a guy, you go get him. It’s pretty simple that way.”
SEAHAWKS AND GENO SMITH'S CONTRACT
The Seahawks’ plans hinge on how long of a contract they get done with Smith. A two- or three-year deal has been expected for the 32-year-old who came off seven years of being an NFL backup to breaking Russell Wilson’s season passing records in 2022. If Smith signs for two or three years, with attractive cash guarantees up front, the Seahawks still would be in the market to draft a quarterback for the future, beyond Smith’s new deal ending.
They don’t know when they will be picking fifth again. Carroll, 71, and Schneider hope its not while they are still running the Seahawks. They only are at five, the team’s highest pick the year before Carroll and Schneider took over the Seahawks, 2009, because Wilson and his Broncos flopped to 5-12 this past season. That was after Wilson engineered Seattle trading him to Denver 12 months ago.
This is a generational pick for the Seahawks. If Carroll and Schneider were ever to draft a quarterback first, it’s this spring. This year’s is a draft with multiple QBs scouts believe can start right away in the NFL, such as Bryce Young from Alabama, Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud and perhaps Florida’s Anthony Richardson .
“We have not been in this situation. We have not felt like this, ever,” Carroll said. “So all of the build up to it has been exciting, and we’re hoping to obviously max out everything we can with it. “We know that the opportunity is something special, so we’re looking forward to it and we’ll see how it goes.”
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I said this before Gregg Bell.
douche wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:57 amSeahawks accomplish 1 of their combine goals: Get the NFL thinking they’d take a QB at 5
BY GREGG BELL UPDATED MARCH 03, 2023
Before the first prospect ran his 40-yard dash, the Seahawks succeeded in one of their chief objectives at the combine. They got the rest of the league thinking Seattle is strongly considering taking a top quarterback with the fifth pick in the draft — even while honing in on an expected, new multiyear contract with Pro Bowl QB Geno Smith.
That, to the league, is a sign the Seahawks are serious about drafting at five a quarterback on top of re-signing Smith. Whether they actually are or not, the perception creates a signal that Seattle’s fifth pick is up for trade bidding for QB-needy teams.
trharder wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:06 pmMaybe? hahaCascade Kid wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 8:00 pmPC's statement in combine interview today.This is an interesting context given by PC. Sounds like they may desire to draft QB at #5, but the question will be, 'how deep into the QB pool are they willing to dig for a QB at #5?'Carroll not only didn't rule out the possibility of bringing back Smith, but he also made sure to note that they're knee-deep in QB evaluations -- and all options at that position remain on the table.
"We've been drafting in the low 20s for such a long time, you just don't get the chance (at) these guys," Carroll said. "So we're deeply involved with them."
My thought is, regardless of your true intentions, when your negotiating with Geno and wanting to keep your team in the best position to horse trade on draft day, that is what you would say.
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Kind of a delayed response but it's been on my mind. In terms of your "nothing-sauce", yeah, the accident though a tragedy is not what's really concerning about this, or even the tickets.The more troubling issues for me is his lying to police, and his leaving the scene of the accident even before the emergency response had arrived, those are character issues.SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:38 amDonn Beach wrote: ↑Fri Mar 03, 2023 5:12 amThis is a very concerning development. If this situation is unresolved before the draft, how can any team draft Carter? They can’t. That’s how serious this is.
And it seems a virtual certainty at this point that he won’t be on Seattle’s board.I’m going to make a prediction. I think, based on Seattle’s need on the defensive line, that Anderson will be the player they possibly covet the most in round one. I think he’s possibly the one player they’ll bypass a quarterback for.
Why couldn't they draft Carter?? That's insane. He was charged with misdemeanors and got out of jail in 12 minutes, returning to the combine. It's a bunch of nothing-sauce. Well, the charges are, anyway... the fact he's a dumbass that makes stupid decisions may well be enough to take him off their board, but that is not what Staton is saying.
And that "prediction" that the #1 player in the entire draft could be the guy they covet the most? Wow how insightful. Staton is also wrong about the "based on Seattle's need on the defensive line" part, as the need is INTERIOR d-line, and Anderson is 100% an edge - meaning he'd be taking the place of Taylor/Mafe. That is NOT a need, but would be a luxury pick because he's a potential difference maker. Tyree Wilson or Myles Murphy actually would make more sense, as they are also edges but HUGE, so could play the Shelby Harris position.
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And the statement he released, I know he is innocent until proven guilty and all that, but claiming there is no question in his mind of not being fully exonerated seems bold to me. He is also claiming there was inaccurate information in the press, that he is returning to Athens to make sure the truth is presented. That sounds good, I mean we are talking about the guy that told police at one point he was a mile away at the time of the crash, that he was behind his friends car, but could see the taillights at the time of the crash, and that he was along side at the time of the crash. By all means Jalen, let's get to the truth.
There is something I will give him credit for. It's pretty obvious to me he wrote that statement himself.
That seems rare these days, particularly with statements of attrition and apology. I just think it's bs the way the typical one seems pretty obviously ghost written to me, probably by a lawyer.
So he gets a character Brownie point for banging that one out himself, or maybe it was his sister, but at least it wasn't his lawyer. Is his cap lock broken?
There is something I will give him credit for. It's pretty obvious to me he wrote that statement himself.
That seems rare these days, particularly with statements of attrition and apology. I just think it's bs the way the typical one seems pretty obviously ghost written to me, probably by a lawyer.
So he gets a character Brownie point for banging that one out himself, or maybe it was his sister, but at least it wasn't his lawyer. Is his cap lock broken?
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Yup. Totally agree. Lying to the police is a serious red flag. Street racing is also a red flag, if he is in fact guilty of that. Completely understand if they don't want to draft him, ESPECIALLY at #5, but it'd be because they think he's a knucklehead, not because of the charges. You don't take possibly the most talented guy in the whole draft just because he's a knucklehead, though. He might drop a bit, but would you not take him at 20 if he was there?? Personally, I don't think he'll drop much, if at all, but we'll see how it plays out.Donn Beach wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:18 amThe more troubling issues for me is his lying to police, and his leaving the scene of the accident even before the emergency response had arrived, those are character issues.
It's actually possible that he's completely innocent of everything, I suppose, if somebody made up the story about him changing his story. Doubtful, but possible.
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So if, and that's a big if, Carter is sentenced to any jail time for two misdemeanors, he'll still be available in the draft at #5. Structuring a contract to include not doing stupid s#1t should be a no brainer. If he's available, I'd still take a flyer on him, but I'd also make it clear that he has only one chance. Put it in his contract that if he screws up and gets arrested for any reason, the contract will be null and void. Maybe the NFL doesn't allow contracts like that? If they do, then hire a babysitter for him for at least a year and make certain he understands he will lose at least millions of dollars if he screws up! Or better yet, hire his mom to watch him and place him under a curfew.
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And you will have wasted a number 5 draft slot, that's a very valuable slot, particularly for a team like the Hawks that rarely have seasons below .500ddraig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:21 amSo if, and that's a big if, Carter is sentenced to any jail time for two misdemeanors, he'll still be available in the draft at #5. Structuring a contract to include not doing stupid s#1t should be a no brainer. If he's available, I'd still take a flyer on him, but I'd also make it clear that he has only one chance. Put it in his contract that if he screws up and gets arrested for any reason, the contract will be null and void. Maybe the NFL doesn't allow contracts like that? If they do, then hire a babysitter for him for at least a year and make certain he understands he will lose at least millions of dollars if he screws up! Or better yet, hire his mom to watch him and place him under a curfew.