Breaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pete is Canned!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Breaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pete is Canned!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want to win, and win now... you probably have to put pride aside and go get Harbaugh.
Thing that's nice about him is that you don't have to worry about his coaching tree. He can recruit the best coordinators.
Thing that's nice about him is that you don't have to worry about his coaching tree. He can recruit the best coordinators.
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There is HOPE and that is what I am celebrating. I don't need to be guaranteed anything. Let the chips fall where than may...at least there is a chance now where there wasn't before. I'll take it.Seattle or Bust wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:52 pmAll I'm saying is be careful what you wish for.D-train wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:48 pmIt isn't celebrating the firing of Pete it is celebrating renewed hope for the future.Seattle or Bust wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:41 pm
Yes, I am good with that.
It's fun to watch your team be competitive during a regular season... playoffs are icing on the cake and if you're lucky enough to win a SB, let alone make it to 2 of them, holy shit... you've won the lottery.
During Pete's tenure... the 49ers finished 5-11, 2-14, 6-10, 4-12, 6-10... with 3 of those seasons under Mike Shanahan. They might not admit it, but having your season be over by week 8 sure isn't fun. I lived with a Niners fan during one of those seasons and he was miserable and jealous as hell of the Hawks.
I'm hopeful the new regime brings the same level of consistency to winning... and it was likely time for Pete to move on. But celebrating it is wild.
It was likely time for Pete to move on. But I'm not holding my breath on the success.
It was a unique cultural shift that brought success to the Seahawks in Seattle.
I'm not convinced that's repeatable and I am convinced it's sort of necessary.
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Also, there is good talent on this team. This isn't college where everyone going to transfer out. And I think that talent has been under utilized.. I bet the new HC maximizes it instead of just waiting until the fourth quarter to try to win the game.
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Agreed, but a change was necessary. I guess we'll find out.Seattle or Bust wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:15 pmThe grass is not always greener and we as Seahawk, Mariner, and Sonic fans should know that.
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Completely agree. Here's hoping.
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Michael K.
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Uhm, they get paid to fucking play now bud, Google NIL. They were going to opposing teams' games, filming the sidelines and attempting to steal signs. He was suspended six games for a reason, and it wasn't for giving a candy bar to a kid already being paid to play the game.HawkandMariner88 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:29 pmIt's the NCAA, you buy a kid a $1 candy bar that's considered a violation. Not saying what he/they did was justified but it also shouldn't disqualify him from getting consideration for another head coaching job. I would absolutely take him. Again I would love offense but wouldn't be upset with a Vrabel or Quinn. Like I say I just want straight toughness & aggressiveness on defense.Michael K. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:09 pmThat fucking Michigan team sure can. I was amazed how many times I thought we had a great play going and they would bring one of our guys down one on one. That was my beef with the Husky and Seahawk defenses a lot this year. The first guy seemed to NEVER make the tackle, especially in open space.
More importantly? He inherited a pretty good 49er team that just wouldn't play for Mike Singletary. Everyone knew the talent was there. So? Jim took that talent and had great success for three years. Then it went sideways. Sorry, too many times this has happened. Saban, Urban Meyer, Bobbie Petrino, Steve Spurrier. No thanks on the college guy that thinks he has proven all he can in college. That entire team went to shit when Kap was figured out. Their offense was snap ball and watch Kap run around. No more retreds. Get me the next great, not a guy that tried and failed and wants another try or a guy in college that won't relate. The one thing Pete had in this regard was he was a players coach. Jimmy Boy lost the 49er locker room pretty fast, as I recell.
Re: Breaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pete is Canned!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't care who the leading candidate is, I care who gets hired. EVERYONE said there was no way she would fire him now EVERYONE is sure she will just go the lazy route and hire Quinn. We'll see.Captain 97 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 9:13 pmThe leading candidate to replace him has a 43-42 record as a head coach. forgive me for not doing cartwheels over this "renewed hope"
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From ESPN:
The Seattle Seahawks have made several big moves over the past nine seasons in an attempt to get back to the top of the NFL after winning Super Bowl XLVIII and nearly repeating the next season. They have made blockbuster trades and big-money free agent signings. They changed coordinators and overhauled their defensive scheme and personnel. And they moved on from a franchise quarterback.
But on Wednesday, they made their biggest move yet by announcing that Pete Carroll is out as head coach after the most successful run in franchise history and a 14-year tenure. Here are five questions surrounding the surprising move and where the Seahawks go from here as they head into the offseason.
Why did this happen now? Was it completely unexpected?
In Carroll's press conference following the announcement he said, "I competed pretty hard to be the coach ... I went along with their intentions." As early as yesterday he had said he planned to continue coaching the Seahawks, indicating that this move was made by owner Jody Allen. Allen's statement gave only a vague reasoning, saying the move was in the best interest of the organization, but any observer could see that the Seahawks have settled into a rut of mediocrity.
Since winning the Super Bowl at the end of the 2013 season and nearly repeating as champions the following season, the Seahawks have made the playoffs six times but failed to advance past the divisional round. Carroll said on his radio show earlier this week that the Seahawks are closer to winning a Super Bowl now than they were a year ago, when they also finished with a 9-8 record. But there was no obvious indication of that vision. Seattle's defense regressed and its offense underperformed. Over the past three seasons, the Seahawks are 25-27, including a wild-card loss that ended their lone playoff appearance in that stretch.
What does Carroll's future look like now?
Allen said in her statement that Carroll will remain with the team in an adviser role. Even at 72 years old, Carroll has looked as energetic as ever, and he has shown no signs in recent seasons that his passion for coaching has waned.
Carroll did say that he is not worn out or tired, and that he wanted to continue coaching -- which makes it fair to wonder whether he would have interest in coaching another team if the right opportunity arose. On the flip side, Carroll might not want to start over with a new team in a new city at this stage of his career.
Asked if he'd entertain another coaching job during his press conference, he said, "Today is about today."
Carroll said he doesn't know what his new role will entail but that him and the team were going to figure it out.
Who could be in the mix to be the next Seattle coach?
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that Cowboys defensive coordinator Dan Quinn will be among those on the Seahawks' list of candidates. Quinn has been an obvious possibility in recent seasons while questions about Carroll's coaching future have grown. He has a relationship with GM John Schneider, having had two stints on the Seahawks' coaching staff, including 2009-10 (defensive line coach) and 2013-2014 (defensive coordinator). He was the coordinator during their two Super Bowl appearances, overseeing one of the most dominant units in NFL history.
The steady decline of Seattle's defense since then is the biggest reason why the Seahawks are now searching for a new coach. They were 25th in yards allowed per play this season (5.5). Dallas' defense ranked ninth there (5.0).
What's the first priority for whoever takes over as coach?
Deciding on whether to keep offensive coordinator Shane Waldron and defensive coordinator Clint Hurtt will be first up. Both of their job statuses have seemed uncertain given the way Seattle has underachieved on both sides of the ball this season.
The Seahawks' priority on defense was to improve against the run after finishing 30th in 2022 (150.2 rushing yards allowed per game), but they regressed after a strong start, finishing one spot lower at 31st (138.4). Seattle's offense, meanwhile, ranked 18th in scoring (20.2 PPG) and 21st in yards (322.9 per game). And it once again struggled on third down, a long-standing issue for this team.
New coaches often prefer to bring in their own coordinators. And the recent underwhelming track records for Hurtt and Waldron do not bode well for their chances of staying around.
What does this mean for Geno Smith's future?
The next big decision will be with Smith. The Seahawks quarterback was up and down in 2023, and he took a step back statistically in several areas from his Pro Bowl season in 2022. However, Smith also dealt with issues around him on offense and injuries. He still finished 13th in QBR (60).
Smith's $12.7 million base salary for next season will be fully guaranteed if he is still on the roster on Feb. 16, making that a likely deadline for Schneider and Seattle's next coach to decide on Smith's future. Drew Lock, the No. 2 quarterback, is a free agent, and the team is drafting at No. 16 in April.
The Seattle Seahawks have made several big moves over the past nine seasons in an attempt to get back to the top of the NFL after winning Super Bowl XLVIII and nearly repeating the next season. They have made blockbuster trades and big-money free agent signings. They changed coordinators and overhauled their defensive scheme and personnel. And they moved on from a franchise quarterback.
But on Wednesday, they made their biggest move yet by announcing that Pete Carroll is out as head coach after the most successful run in franchise history and a 14-year tenure. Here are five questions surrounding the surprising move and where the Seahawks go from here as they head into the offseason.
Why did this happen now? Was it completely unexpected?
In Carroll's press conference following the announcement he said, "I competed pretty hard to be the coach ... I went along with their intentions." As early as yesterday he had said he planned to continue coaching the Seahawks, indicating that this move was made by owner Jody Allen. Allen's statement gave only a vague reasoning, saying the move was in the best interest of the organization, but any observer could see that the Seahawks have settled into a rut of mediocrity.
Since winning the Super Bowl at the end of the 2013 season and nearly repeating as champions the following season, the Seahawks have made the playoffs six times but failed to advance past the divisional round. Carroll said on his radio show earlier this week that the Seahawks are closer to winning a Super Bowl now than they were a year ago, when they also finished with a 9-8 record. But there was no obvious indication of that vision. Seattle's defense regressed and its offense underperformed. Over the past three seasons, the Seahawks are 25-27, including a wild-card loss that ended their lone playoff appearance in that stretch.
What does Carroll's future look like now?
Allen said in her statement that Carroll will remain with the team in an adviser role. Even at 72 years old, Carroll has looked as energetic as ever, and he has shown no signs in recent seasons that his passion for coaching has waned.
Carroll did say that he is not worn out or tired, and that he wanted to continue coaching -- which makes it fair to wonder whether he would have interest in coaching another team if the right opportunity arose. On the flip side, Carroll might not want to start over with a new team in a new city at this stage of his career.
Asked if he'd entertain another coaching job during his press conference, he said, "Today is about today."
Carroll said he doesn't know what his new role will entail but that him and the team were going to figure it out.
Who could be in the mix to be the next Seattle coach?
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that Cowboys defensive coordinator Dan Quinn will be among those on the Seahawks' list of candidates. Quinn has been an obvious possibility in recent seasons while questions about Carroll's coaching future have grown. He has a relationship with GM John Schneider, having had two stints on the Seahawks' coaching staff, including 2009-10 (defensive line coach) and 2013-2014 (defensive coordinator). He was the coordinator during their two Super Bowl appearances, overseeing one of the most dominant units in NFL history.
The steady decline of Seattle's defense since then is the biggest reason why the Seahawks are now searching for a new coach. They were 25th in yards allowed per play this season (5.5). Dallas' defense ranked ninth there (5.0).
What's the first priority for whoever takes over as coach?
Deciding on whether to keep offensive coordinator Shane Waldron and defensive coordinator Clint Hurtt will be first up. Both of their job statuses have seemed uncertain given the way Seattle has underachieved on both sides of the ball this season.
The Seahawks' priority on defense was to improve against the run after finishing 30th in 2022 (150.2 rushing yards allowed per game), but they regressed after a strong start, finishing one spot lower at 31st (138.4). Seattle's offense, meanwhile, ranked 18th in scoring (20.2 PPG) and 21st in yards (322.9 per game). And it once again struggled on third down, a long-standing issue for this team.
New coaches often prefer to bring in their own coordinators. And the recent underwhelming track records for Hurtt and Waldron do not bode well for their chances of staying around.
What does this mean for Geno Smith's future?
The next big decision will be with Smith. The Seahawks quarterback was up and down in 2023, and he took a step back statistically in several areas from his Pro Bowl season in 2022. However, Smith also dealt with issues around him on offense and injuries. He still finished 13th in QBR (60).
Smith's $12.7 million base salary for next season will be fully guaranteed if he is still on the roster on Feb. 16, making that a likely deadline for Schneider and Seattle's next coach to decide on Smith's future. Drew Lock, the No. 2 quarterback, is a free agent, and the team is drafting at No. 16 in April.
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Captain 97
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Re: Breaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pete is Canned!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pete Carrol is a God in this sports community and deserves nothing but respect. His record is 137-89-1 for a .603 winning percentage.
The rest of the Hawks coaches combined have a 255-277 record for a .479 winning percentage.
How bad is that? The Mariners have a franchise winning percentage of .482 for their history. Without Pete, The Hawks are a worse franchise than the M's.
The rest of the Hawks coaches combined have a 255-277 record for a .479 winning percentage.
How bad is that? The Mariners have a franchise winning percentage of .482 for their history. Without Pete, The Hawks are a worse franchise than the M's.
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Literally nobody is disrespecting him so not getting self righteous straw man BS.
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