2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

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2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

Post by D-train » Mon May 08, 2023 1:43 pm

So how is it possible that our QB had the best completion % but we were 20th in third down conversions???

Answer: either the majority of his incompletions were on third down, he completed A LOT passes short of the line to gain and they had to punt or BOTH.

Stacy mentions two guys that could help with the third down conversion %. The third is Waldron. Stop calling plays that don't involve throwing the ball past the line to gain!!!!

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1755887/ ... ted-about/
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Post by D-train » Mon May 08, 2023 1:44 pm

I also found it interesting that Bumpus picked Cam Young as his guy he is most excited about. I mean he isn't a top pick but he isn't a 6th or 7th rounder either. He played in the SEC and weighs 315lb so not like the ignored the interior D line in the draft.
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Post by Michael K. » Mon May 08, 2023 2:00 pm

Some of it boils down to success on first and second down too, obviously. That is what is strange here....I remember several years where it seemed we were in third and long ALL THE DAMN TIME. I don't seem to remember it that way last year.

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Re: 2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

Post by D-train » Mon May 08, 2023 2:26 pm

In a shuttle right now on the way to the dog show and we're driving right by Citi Field home of the Mets
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Re: 2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Mon May 08, 2023 3:45 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 2:26 pm
In a shuttle right now on the way to the dog show and we're driving right by Citi Field home of the Mets
Good luck and i hope it will be a fun experience!

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Re: 2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

Post by D-train » Mon May 08, 2023 8:37 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 3:45 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 2:26 pm
In a shuttle right now on the way to the dog show and we're driving right by Citi Field home of the Mets
Good luck and i hope it will be a fun experience!
Thanks Brother. Our professional handler could make not the trip from Battle Ground so may wife is showing Bing at 9:45am tomorrow. She is nervous as hell. Usually there are about 17 people watching, there will be hundreds tomorrow. Live stream here.

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Re: 2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

Post by SeattleAddict » Mon May 08, 2023 8:58 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 1:43 pm
So how is it possible that our QB had the best completion % but we were 20th in third down conversions???

Answer: either the majority of his incompletions were on third down, he completed A LOT passes short of the line to gain and they had to punt or BOTH.

Stacy mentions two guys that could help with the third down conversion %. The third is Waldron. Stop calling plays that don't involve throwing the ball past the line to gain!!!!

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1755887/ ... ted-about/
are there numbers that back up the throwing the ball short thing? I know that was an issue with Russ, I don't question that for one second, but I feel like last year that improved a LOT.

This chart shows the last 3 games were horrible for whatever reason (30%), but the last game was 46%. The interesting thing about that is that means the second and third-to-last games had to have been just abysmal... but they won those two and lost the last.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/t ... ersion-pct

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Re: 2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

Post by D-train » Mon May 08, 2023 9:07 pm

SeattleAddict wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:58 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 1:43 pm
So how is it possible that our QB had the best completion % but we were 20th in third down conversions???

Answer: either the majority of his incompletions were on third down, he completed A LOT passes short of the line to gain and they had to punt or BOTH.

Stacy mentions two guys that could help with the third down conversion %. The third is Waldron. Stop calling plays that don't involve throwing the ball past the line to gain!!!!

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1755887/ ... ted-about/
are there numbers that back up the throwing the ball short thing? I know that was an issue with Russ, I don't question that for one second, but I feel like last year that improved a LOT.

This chart shows the last 3 games were horrible for whatever reason (30%), but the last game was 46%. The interesting thing about that is that means the second and third-to-last games had to have been just abysmal... but they won those two and lost the last.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/t ... ersion-pct
I doubt it but what would be great is to be able to break down reasons for not converting on third down and manageable.

3rd and 7 or less.

Dropped pass
Sack
Run short of the line to gain
Pass short of the line to gain
Throw away
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Re: 2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

Post by SeattleAddict » Mon May 08, 2023 9:42 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 9:07 pm
SeattleAddict wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 8:58 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon May 08, 2023 1:43 pm
So how is it possible that our QB had the best completion % but we were 20th in third down conversions???

Answer: either the majority of his incompletions were on third down, he completed A LOT passes short of the line to gain and they had to punt or BOTH.

Stacy mentions two guys that could help with the third down conversion %. The third is Waldron. Stop calling plays that don't involve throwing the ball past the line to gain!!!!

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1755887/ ... ted-about/
are there numbers that back up the throwing the ball short thing? I know that was an issue with Russ, I don't question that for one second, but I feel like last year that improved a LOT.

This chart shows the last 3 games were horrible for whatever reason (30%), but the last game was 46%. The interesting thing about that is that means the second and third-to-last games had to have been just abysmal... but they won those two and lost the last.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/t ... ersion-pct
I doubt it but what would be great is to be able to break down reasons for not converting on third down and manageable.

3rd and 7 or less.

Dropped pass
Sack
Run short of the line to gain
Pass short of the line to gain
Throw away
I could be imagining things thru my homer colored glasses, but it seemed like they were much better at converting the convertible ones, but there were a bunch of holding calls, sacks and whatnot at bad times that made 3rd-and-3s into 3rd and 13s. Obviously there were plenty of incompletions and things, but just the normal amount. I'm just going off the amount of times that I screamed at the tv when they threw a 4 yard out on 3rd and 7, which happened a LOT during the later Russ years, and didn't feel like that much last year.

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Re: 2nd biggest issue with huge room for improvement

Post by D-train » Mon May 08, 2023 9:48 pm

Holding calls. Good point. Hopefully that improves as well.
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