2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

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2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by SeattleAddict » Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:36 pm

Unger, Alexander, Kam, and current ST coach Larry Izzo.

I don't think anybody is gonna make it, but Kam and Shaun should get a few votes, right?

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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by D-train » Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:58 pm

SeattleAddict wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:36 pm
Unger, Alexander, Kam, and current ST coach Larry Izzo.

I don't think anybody is gonna make it, but Kam and Shaun should get a few votes, right?
I need to go back and rewatch all of Ungers 10,000 snaps before I can make the call on him. Kam was amazing and one of my all time fav Seahawks but he only played 7.5 seasons so probably not going to cut it. Barry Sanders played a full 10 and people think he retired early.

Alexander is behind Watters, Sproles and Marshawn. I doubt he makes it but yeah maybe some votes.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_RB.htm
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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by Gametime » Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:33 pm

I think Ricky Watters has to be in the conversation

10643 yards
78 tds
4248 rec yards
13 tds

5 pro bowls

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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Sep 20, 2023 12:32 am

D-train wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:58 pm
SeattleAddict wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:36 pm
Unger, Alexander, Kam, and current ST coach Larry Izzo.

I don't think anybody is gonna make it, but Kam and Shaun should get a few votes, right?
I need to go back and rewatch all of Ungers 10,000 snaps before I can make the call on him. Kam was amazing and one of my all time fav Seahawks but he only played 7.5 seasons so probably not going to cut it. Barry Sanders played a full 10 and people think he retired early.

Alexander is behind Watters, Sproles and Marshawn. I doubt he makes it but yeah maybe some votes.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_RB.htm
Alexander behind Marshawn? He's got an MVP

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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by D-train » Wed Sep 20, 2023 12:55 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 12:32 am
D-train wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:58 pm
SeattleAddict wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:36 pm
Unger, Alexander, Kam, and current ST coach Larry Izzo.

I don't think anybody is gonna make it, but Kam and Shaun should get a few votes, right?
I need to go back and rewatch all of Ungers 10,000 snaps before I can make the call on him. Kam was amazing and one of my all time fav Seahawks but he only played 7.5 seasons so probably not going to cut it. Barry Sanders played a full 10 and people think he retired early.

Alexander is behind Watters, Sproles and Marshawn. I doubt he makes it but yeah maybe some votes.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_RB.htm
Alexander behind Marshawn? He's got an MVP
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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:17 am

Shaun Alexander finished with 9,453 yards (Lynch with a little less, so I’ll get to him later in the post). If you discount his 4 games with the Redskins in the final year of his career, he spent 8 full seasons in Seattle. Davis did what he did in 7 seasons in Denver, so the career lengths are comparable. Alexander finished with exactly 100 rushing touchdowns and another 12 receiving TDs; Davis finished with 60 rushing and 5 receiving. Alexander averaged 4.3 yards per attempt, Davis at 4.6, so not a HUGE difference there. And, if you go by Approximate Value per Pro Football Reference (the higher the number the better), Alexander finished with a 79, Davis with a 78.

I mean, when you put it all down there like that, and you factor in the extra 1,846 career rushing yards and the extra 47 combined touchdowns, how is Shaun Alexander not even in the conversation and Terrell Davis is already in?

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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by D-train » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:20 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:17 am
Shaun Alexander finished with 9,453 yards (Lynch with a little less, so I’ll get to him later in the post). If you discount his 4 games with the Redskins in the final year of his career, he spent 8 full seasons in Seattle. Davis did what he did in 7 seasons in Denver, so the career lengths are comparable. Alexander finished with exactly 100 rushing touchdowns and another 12 receiving TDs; Davis finished with 60 rushing and 5 receiving. Alexander averaged 4.3 yards per attempt, Davis at 4.6, so not a HUGE difference there. And, if you go by Approximate Value per Pro Football Reference (the higher the number the better), Alexander finished with a 79, Davis with a 78.

I mean, when you put it all down there like that, and you factor in the extra 1,846 career rushing yards and the extra 47 combined touchdowns, how is Shaun Alexander not even in the conversation and Terrell Davis is already in?
Was that written before Lynch retired because Lynch has more.
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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:30 am

2017, what he has to say about lynch... I think they are both in the HOF discussion. I just think Alexander seems to get shafted a bit, but I don't follow the NFL HOF closely. I do see it heavy on the popularity contest angle
Now, regarding Marshawn Lynch, I think he has an even-tougher road to hoe than Alexander in a lot of ways. He has 6 seasons where he surpassed 1,000 yards rushing, his first two with Buffalo and his first four full years with Seattle. He racked up a career total of 9,112 yards (37th all time) and 74 rushing touchdowns (24th all time), with another 9 receiving TDs. I won’t discount his first two years in Buffalo, but I’d have to say his Peak Years were the first four full ones with Seattle, so let’s run them down now:

In 2011, he ran for 1,204 yards and 12 TDs, good for 7th in yards and tied for 3rd in TDs with AP and Ray Rice, behind Cam Newton and Shady McCoy.
In 2012, he ran for 1,590 yards and 11 TDs, good for 3rd in yards and tied for 5th in TDs with Doug Martin and Trent Richardson.
In 2013, he ran for 1,257 yards and 12 TDs, good for 6th in yards and tied for 1st in TDs with Jamaal Charles.
In 2014, he ran for 1,306 yards and 13 TDs, good for 4th in yards and tied for 1st in TDs with DeMarco Murray.
On top of that, he made the Pro Bowl five times (2008, 2011-2014) and the first team All Pro once, in 2012. No MVPs, but he led the Seahawks to back-to-back Super Bowls, winning one, and should have won them both. He was also stripped of a Super Bowl MVP award opportunity by not being handed the ball at the 1-yard line against the Patriots, but that’s neither here nor there.

So, obviously, the numbers aren’t really there for Lynch, compared to Alexander. But, as I said before, it’s always so much more than just numbers. Now, I’m not sure Beastmode is going to win many popularity contests, with the way he shunned the media in his later years – particularly in those two Super Bowl seasons – but I also feel like time will heal those wounds somewhat. I guess it just depends on how many Hall of Fame voters were also those media people who were all bent out of shape about his antics. I could see that going either way, but it’s hard to see that as a deal-breaker.

What’s very much in Beastmode’s favor is the fact that he was a motherfucking BEAST! He had, without question, the greatest run in the history of the NFL, PERIOD! And, if you search for a reel of highlights, I mean, he’s amazing. For me, he’s on a short-list with guys like Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Jim Brown and maybe that’s it, of guys I just love to watch run with the football. Guys who could do ANYTHING with the football! With that mystique behind him? Compared to Shaun Alexander, who has this reputation for being a bit soft (which I don’t think is totally fair, but it’s out there), I dunno. I think that pulls Marshawn Lynch up even with Alexander, when you factor in total numbers plus the popularity contest element.
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Re: 2024 HOF former Seahawk nominees

Post by D-train » Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:37 am

I am pretty into the Baseball HOF but not the NFL at all. I visited it Basket ball HOF in Springfield on my way back from the Norman Rockwell museum in the Bershires a couple years ago but it was in a mall and had displays in the mall for free so I didn't bother to pay to go in. lol
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