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Skoal heads are saying it wasn't a hold cause there's no hold on a "rip move".
Looks like a hold to me.
https://x.com/i/status/1870982155725406530

Here, not even going to begin to try and understand it

https://www.sbnation.com/23577117/2023- ... fs-bengals

I have never ever heard a commentator talk about how the flag was not thrown because the defender had used the "rip-move".

Should have been a hold, but Woolen looked like that was a Saturday morning walk through. I'm so tired of that dude.

It was a hold, believe the refs would agree. But it falls under the list of exemptions where you're allowed to hold. I don't think anyone opened the article. It's incredibly complicated. A ref has to run through all the exceptions before deciding to toss a flag or not

There are also two exceptions to the holding rule that involve line technique. The first comes courtesy of Rule 12, Section 1, Article 3, Note 1.h: “f the action is part of a double-team block, unless the defender splits the double team, gets to the outside of either blocker or is taken to the ground.”

Then there is the second holding exception which involves specifically defensive line technique. Holding will not be called “if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a ‘rip’ technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding.” Rule 12, Section 1, Article 3, Note

Donn Beach wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 23, 2024 4:09 pm

It was a hold, believe the refs would agree. But it falls under the list of exemptions where you're allowed to hold. I don't think anyone opened the article. It's incredibly complicated. A ref has to run through all the exceptions before deciding to toss a flag or not

Then there is the second holding exception which involves specifically defensive line technique. Holding will not be called “if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a ‘rip’ technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding.” Rule 12, Section 1, Article 3, Note

You are wrong. I did read the entire article you provided and even watched the example videos.
The "rip" is when the defender punches their inside hand up in the air in order to disengage the linemans's block.
The rules and the article claims this causes the lineman to appear to hold everytime and therefore they had to
make this rule out of, I guess, kindness to the O-lineman? Anyway, Hall does punch up as he's speed rushing from the
edge and about to cream Darnold before he throws the game winning TD. But the Hall replay doesn't really look like
the same situation as the example videos. I suspect if you actually played O-line or D-line, and were familiar with
technique, this would make more sense. But for me, it appears the "rip" is something a D-lineman does to counter
when the O-lineman is holding you. Not the other way around like the rule says. All I know as a fan that never played
the line is, when I see an O-lineman have a defender around the neck, they usually call holding. Therefore, I still
say this was a hold. I've seen others say if it wasn't a hold, it was hands to the face.

Yeah, like i said, I don't understand it. You dug into it a lot more than me, thanks

when I see an O-lineman have a defender around the neck, they usually call holding. Therefore, I still
say this was a hold. I've seen others say if it wasn't a hold, it was hands to the face

It was a hold, the deal is they get to hold under certain conditions

I looked at the rip move. This link shows a 5 step guide.

https://footballadvantage.com/rip-move-football/

1. Stay low

2. Take your second step quickly (Done properly, your body position will be parallel to your blocker).

3. Duck your shoulder (Duck your inside shoulder. This will give you a lower level for you to "rip" up with this arm. This also makes it more challenging for the offensive player to get his hands on your shoulder pads or square up to your chest).

4. Punch up (Aim to punch through the armpit of the offensive lineman).

5. Beat the offensive player (The Rip Move will place your body right next to the offensive player's body at this point, which creates a gap between him and the next offensive player on the line. Make sure to continue staying low and explode forward even after you execute the punch up).

As far as the Vikings game goes, it looked like a holding penalty to me. But I also think it's a real gray area... a holding penalty one game, a non-penalty the next (depending on the situation and the referees).

Being a hold isn't the issue, the issue is whether he executed a rip move

I didn't see a rip move.