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One Seahawk makes the roster. Jalen Carter selected while Leonard Williams snubbed...

NFC roster

Quarterback: Jared Goff, Detroit Lions; Jayden Daniels, Washington Commanders; Sam Darnold, Minnesota Vikings

Running back: Saquon Barkley, Philadelphia Eagles; Jahmyr Gibbs, Detroit Lions; Josh Jacobs, Green Bay Packers

Fullback: Kyle Juszczyk, San Francisco 49ers

Wide receiver: Justin Jefferson, Minnesota Vikings; Amon-Ra St. Brown, Detroit Lions; CeeDee Lamb, Dallas Cowboys; Terry McLaurin, Washington Commanders

Tight end: George Kittle, San Francisco 49ers; Trey McBride, Arizona Cardinals

Offensive tackle: Lane Johnson, Philadelphia Eagles; Penei Sewell, Detroit Lions; Tristan Wirfs, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Offensive guard: Landon Dickerson, Philadelphia Eagles; Tyler Smith, Dallas Cowboys; Chris Lindstrom, Atlanta Falcons

Center: Frank Ragnow, Detroit Lions; Cam Jurgens, Philadelphia Eagles

Defensive end: Nick Bosa, San Francisco 49ers; Micah Parsons, Dallas Cowboys; Rashan Gary, Green Bay Packers

Interior linemen: Jalen Carter, Philadelphia Eagles; Dexter Lawrence, New York Giants; Vita Vea, Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Outside linebacker: Jonathan Greenard, Minnesota Vikings; Andrew Van Ginkel, Minnesota Vikings; Jared Verse, Los Angeles Rams

Inside/middle linebacker: Fred Warner, San Francisco 49ers; Zack Baun, Philadelphia Eagles

Cornerback: Jaylen Johnson, Chicago Bears; Byron Murphy, Minnesota Vikings; Jaycee Horn, Carolina Panthers; Devon Witherspoon, Seattle Seahawks

Free safety: Xavier McKinney, Green Bay Packers

Strong safety: Budda Baker, Arizona Cardinals, Brian Branch, Detroit Lions

Long snapper: Andrew DePaola, Minnesota Vikings

Punter: Jack Fox, Detroit Lions

Placekicker: Brandon Aubrey, Dallas Cowboys

Return specialist: KaVontae Turpin, Dallas Cowboys

Special teamer: KhaDarel Hodge, Atlanta Falcons

Here's PFF's grades for interior DL...


Based on that it looks pretty bad that Carter and Vea got in over Williams. Then again, they have Poona Ford at #5.

At this point can anyone intelligently try to argue that Schneider has built a quality roster? He brought in a bunch of junk last off-season much like his Mariners counterpart. The difference is that he tried to correct his mistakes, but still...

Sibelius Hindemith wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 pm

At this point can anyone intelligently try to argue that Schneider has built a quality roster? He brought in a bunch of junk last off-season much like his Mariners counterpart. The difference is that he tried to correct his mistakes, but still...

I wouldn’t call signing Williams to an extension or trading for Ernest Jones junk…

Williams might make the all pro team instead of the pro bowl

Yeah those two moves were good. I was talking about players he added in the off-season like Shennault, Dee Williams, Baker, Dodson, Brown, Hankins. How did those work out?

Tomlinson has been okay and Jenkins was playing well before the injury, but everyone else has been a disappointment.

I always thought Ponna Ford was a pretty good player for a UDFA for the Hawks. But I would not have had him as a top 5 interior DL. He was 5th on that list right behind Williams. But Williams appears to be on another level, this year Willaims has 9 sacks, vs 3 for Ford. Based on a 17 game average Williams gets 5.7 sacks, 22 QB hits, and an 8 AAV a year vs Ford 2 sacks, 5QB hits and a AAV of 5.

But who of our Hawks brain trust her on the scream: Sign Poona Ford and pair him with Williams to have 2 out of the top 5 interior DLs?

What if our interior DL was this"

so far
Willaims #4 9 sacks
Ford #5 3 sacks
Reed #27 4.5 sacks
and then
Byron Murphy who was a mild disappointment (1 sack) but still had a lot of positives to offer including:
Ranks among DL (3-4 DL /team)
Solo tackles 50th
34th in hurries.

That would have made for a hell of a rotation.

Sibelius Hindemith wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:57 pm

Yeah those two moves were good. I was talking about players he added in the off-season like Shennault, Dee Williams, Baker, Dodson, Brown, Hankins. How did those work out?

Tomlinson has been okay and Jenkins was playing well before the injury, but everyone else has been a disappointment.

This is the season where JS worth truly shows. No Pete pulling the strings.

acctingman wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2025 4:27 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:57 pm

Yeah those two moves were good. I was talking about players he added in the off-season like Shennault, Dee Williams, Baker, Dodson, Brown, Hankins. How did those work out?

Tomlinson has been okay and Jenkins was playing well before the injury, but everyone else has been a disappointment.

This is the season where JS worth truly shows. No Pete pulling the strings.

And I don't think it's seems much different from seasons past. I think the roster has always been largely up to JS. He's the GM, that's his Job

Pharmabro wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:15 am

I always thought Ponna Ford was a pretty good player for a UDFA for the Hawks. But I would not have had him as a top 5 interior DL. He was 5th on that list right behind Williams. But Williams appears to be on another level, this year Willaims has 9 sacks, vs 3 for Ford. Based on a 17 game average Williams gets 5.7 sacks, 22 QB hits, and an 8 AAV a year vs Ford 2 sacks, 5QB hits and a AAV of 5.

But who of our Hawks brain trust her on the scream: Sign Poona Ford and pair him with Williams to have 2 out of the top 5 interior DLs?

I don't understand how Ford got a higher pass rush grade than Williams. When adjusted for pass rush snaps LW has a 1.75:1 advantage in pressures, a 2.3:1 advantage in sacks, a 1.7:1 advantage in QB hits, and a 1.7:1 advantage in hurries. The only explanation i can come up with is that Williams graded significantly worse than Ford on the pass rush snaps where they didn't compile one of the above stats. Maybe he takes more plays off than Ford?

Donn Beach wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2025 5:09 pm

acctingman wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 04, 2025 4:27 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:57 pm

Yeah those two moves were good. I was talking about players he added in the off-season like Shennault, Dee Williams, Baker, Dodson, Brown, Hankins. How did those work out?

Tomlinson has been okay and Jenkins was playing well before the injury, but everyone else has been a disappointment.

This is the season where JS worth truly shows. No Pete pulling the strings.

And I don't think it's seems much different from seasons past. I think the roster has always been largely up to JS. He's the GM, that's his Job

I think had Carroll remained it is more likely that Bobby stays also. He probably would have been on board with drafting Murphy, Haynes and Knight and dumping Adams and Diggs though. Don't know about the FAs what kind of input he would've had there.