"Mostly Peaceful Protests" pt 2

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

Gil, that may be, but sob has never had a civil conversation in this section of the forum.... so what I said, I stand by.

As for the farmers, they do need help. I also believe that we do need some illegals, but there are plenty of bad illegals that are involved in the farming. Plenty of of drug runners with the farmers.... these are all 'seasonal workers' that come and go by the month. People that will put their kids in school, then leave for the winter. Then complain when their kids don't pass classes, or not care if their kids pass the classes. Can we say "DROPOUT"?

I would be for a program that allowed the farmers (and only the farmers) to use illegals at a drastically reduced wage.

[gil]

I certainly don't know specifics, but I imagine there are criminals in any sector of society/the economy. It's law enforcement's job to ferret them out.

"Drastically reduced wage"? doesn't that put American citizens at a disadvantage?

I think once you make an exception for one industry, you are going to have others making the same pleas. President Trump specifically mentioned "Hotel and Leisure". And then there is construction. And landscaping. So do we stick with the principle (and campaign promise) of getting rid of illegals, or do we make exceptions when special interests make an economic case for allowing them?

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

I certainly don't know specifics, but I imagine there are criminals in any sector of society/the economy. It's law enforcement's job to ferret them out.

"Drastically reduced wage"? doesn't that put American citizens at a disadvantage?

I think once you make an exception for one industry, you are going to have others making the same pleas. President Trump specifically mentioned "Hotel and Leisure". And then there is construction. And landscaping. So do we stick with the principle (and campaign promise) of getting rid of illegals, or do we make exceptions when special interests make an economic case for allowing them?

In order for law enforcement to ferret them out, there would need to be documentation and inspections.

Nobody really wants to work on the farms any more. Farmers can get by with a couple good hired hands that understand the field and equipment then have 4-5 unskilled illegals to do the shit work.

The way I see it, farms are different. Construction you can use shit labor as well, but what about those contractors that get governmental jobs. This would be prevailing wage which REQUIRES you to pay the workers a higher salary, and that would only make more money for the owners, not the workers. I would be against this in the building industry.

[DavidGee24]

As an aside, what was really cheap was in the last couple years when an illegal immigrant would commit a heinous crime, it would be propped up by the right as "SEE? SEE? LOOK AT WHAT BIDEN'S BORDER POLICY HAS DONE!"

Now, Biden's border policy was ridiculous and I have never disliked a POTUS more than him, but stuff like that (illegal immigrant violent crime) happened during Trump's first term, when Obama was in office, when Bush was in office, when Clinton was in office, whrn Reagan was in office, etc. But the right acted like this was the first time this sort of thing had ever happened.

The right could have just pointed out the general problems that runaway illegal immigration presents instead of exploiting a few individuals and their families. But, like mass shootings that are exploited by the left when they could instead but choose not to just point at gun crime in general, sensationalism sells.

[Seattle or Bust]

And how do we know corruption and special interests run the government?

Someone's money was affected by the farm raids and Trump's position about ICE raids changes on a dime...

How do Representatives in Congress, making $174,000 a year, with housing prices in and around Washington, D.C. as high as they are, come out being millionaires?

Dude, all Sob will do is to attack you for questioning him/her/it/them/they/shim/himher/whateverthethefuck.

As you attack me personally with a post that had nothing to do with you.

[Seattle or Bust]

And how do we know corruption and special interests run the government?

Someone's money was affected by the farm raids and Trump's position about ICE raids changes on a dime...

How do Representatives in Congress, making $174,000 a year, with housing prices in and around Washington, D.C. as high as they are, come out being millionaires?

Corruption. Happens on both sides.

Get paid exorbitant fees for speaking and consulting. Take bribes to push legislation forward. Nothing new.

I don't think the Republican message is particularly wrong...

I don't see much wrong with:

1. The working class pay less in taxes (but what you get is side policy that guarantees massive enrichment for the ultra wealthy and an unstable economy due to massive income inequality)
2. Create opportunities for Americans and not foreigners (unfortunetly the message/action is generally delivered via racism)
3. Freedom of speech (gone is dignified speech...)
4. Less government (well... I think you can hardly say that what Trump/Republicans have enacted in the 2nd term is hardly less government)

But the voters continue to get scammed into picking the absolute worst of the grifters who have literally ZERO intention of ever helping you. I mean c'mon... this is the guy? With golden ceilings and toilets?



He's the biggest scam artist on the planet... making millions, if not billions in bribes.

I think a good portion of Dems are corrupt. You won't find me saying otherwise. But there's a section of them who really stand behind the American people... I struggle to see many civilized/dignified Republicans actually standing up for America without being completely vile or without the caveat that it enriches them to do it.

[seattlefan-daBronx]

Fuk the monkeys throwing shit....

I'd rather watch this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ekqv7tgZXw

imho this country is on the brink of war.

God bless those men and women sent to protect us.

[ddraig]

SoB,

I presume you have evidence and proof of the bribes Trump is taking? Considering more than half of the individuals in our Federal Government are doing everything they can to keep Trump from enacting much of his agenda, that the majority of the people in the country voted for, I do believe that if there was bribery involved, they would have found something long before now. And you may wish to check to see why Democrats and many Republicans are supporting illegal aliens rather than our American Citizens who are living on the streets. That's what you call supporting American Citizens?

[Seattle or Bust]

SoB,

I presume you have evidence and proof of the bribes Trump is taking? Considering more than half of the individuals in our Federal Government are doing everything they can to keep Trump from enacting much of his agenda, that the majority of the people in the country voted for, I do believe that if there was bribery involved, they would have found something long before now. And you may wish to check to see why Democrats and many Republicans are supporting illegal aliens rather than our American Citizens who are living on the streets. That's what you call supporting American Citizens?

Throwing Mexicans out helps who exactly?

You think once the Mexicans are gone that Trump is going to go to work at lifting the poor up and getting people off the streets? You think he's going to go to work to make sure veterans are taken care of? Teachers? The working man?

Or do you think he'll 100x harder to get his rich friends tax breaks? How have Republicans helped veterans or the homeless? They reject every bill that puts finances forward to them... almost all bills in this realm are proposed by Dems.

It's funny that you ask me for evidence of Trump's corruption while automatically assuming the corruption of others without evidence yourself. I told you, I agree that the majority of government is corrupt... I think you're either insane or willfully blind if you think that Trump isn't engaged in blatant corruption.

Is hosting a crypto dinner for pay to access the President's time not corruption? If not, why were the crypto people not showing their faces entering the dinner?

https://apnews.com/article/trump-crypto ... 1884ec52b3

Or how he launched a meme coin scam?

"$TRUMP Coin: On the Friday before his inauguration, then President-elect Trump launched the $TRUMP memecoin, described as “a type of joke cryptocurrency that typically has no purpose beyond financial speculation [and] whose value tends to whipsaw dramatically.” Entities tied to Mr. Trump together own 80% of the entire supply of $TRUMP coins—1 billion coins in total—and thus stand to reap the lion’s share of any profits from the venture. Trump-related entities reportedly have already made as much as $100 million on trading fees alone. On February 27, 2025, the SEC announced its determination that meme coins do not constitute securities under the federal securities laws, and therefore are not subject to regulation by the SEC. Because the identities of the coin purchasers are not publicly disclosed, there is no way to tell who is buying the coin, potentially allowing bad actors, including authoritarian governments, to enrich the Trump family and 'curry favor with Trump.'

Also, weird how famous rich people got pardoned who donated millions to Trump...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/trumps-pardon ... =122747969

[seattlefan-daBronx]

Wow. Love or hate Trump...that dude knows how to throw a party!

Even over the television that was one HELL of an event.