No New Wars!

[Seattle or Bust]

Upsides:

No new wars. A+. Some folks desperately trying to push us there - but we seem to be staying out of manufactured conflict - I hope this sticks for 4 years. STAY. THE. FUCK. OUT. OF. IRAN.

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Watch the cultists fall in line...

[auroraave]

Ahhh, I do love it when She/her/they/them posts - always a stark reminder of what Mental Illness looks like - along with TDS - and I immediately give thanks that's not me. #grateful

And I stand 100% behind my statement - and I 100% REJECT this 'war'. No idea why you expect any independant thinker to change their mind. What we SHOULD be asking is who talked him into this? We know Israel - it's always Israel - why do they have Trump by the balls? No, it's not because he's in the Epstein files for lurid behavior - we already know that's not true - so, the question is.... WHY?

[Seattle or Bust]

Ahhh, I do love it when She/her/they/them posts - always a stark reminder of what Mental Illness looks like - along with TDS - and I immediately give thanks that's not me. #grateful

And I stand 100% behind my statement - and I 100% REJECT this 'war'. No idea why you expect any independant thinker to change their mind. What we SHOULD be asking is who talked him into this? We know Israel - it's always Israel - why do they have Trump by the balls? No, it's not because he's in the Epstein files for lurid behavior - we already know that's not true - so, the question is.... WHY?

You're already deflecting it away from Trump and his fragile ego.

And what does it say about the pathetic pile of shit you put into office that he's so easily influenced?

[bpj]

Almost funny though calling Trump easily influenced when Biden would've started WW3 in exchange for an ice cream cone and a spongebath from Cornpop...

Couldn't be more obvious Trump's now Israel's bitch, but he replaced Autpopen Biden, and the alternative was a cackling bozo who would've continued importing browns- Hard Pass.

Sane people voted the obvious way. Then Trump did a complete 180 and his promises went out the window.

We wanted what we were promised by Trump, including no new wars.

The difference is Trump lied and changed after we gave him our vote. We all knew what Kamel Hairs was going to do, and the degenerates voted for her anyways.

[auroraave]

Almost funny though calling Trump easily influenced when Biden would've started WW3 in exchange for an ice cream cone and a spongebath from Cornpop...

Couldn't be more obvious Trump's now Israel's bitch, but he replaced Autpopen Biden, and the alternative was a cackling bozo who would've continued importing browns- Hard Pass.

Sane people voted the obvious way. Then Trump did a complete 180 and his promises went out the window.

We wanted what we were promised by Trump, including no new wars.

The difference is Trump lied and changed after we gave him our vote. We all knew what Kamel Hairs was going to do, and the degenerates voted for her anyways.

Agreed - but I don't think Trump has changed - I think he is clearly being blackmailed - someone has a gun to his head and I'd like to know what the leverage is. We know it's not Epstein - he's not comprimised that way - the Dems would've played that card - so what is it? We know it has to do with Israel. What is the leverage Israel has? That's the $1,000,000 question. That is the only thing that makes sense - because, as always, they are the sole beneficiary of this - a weakened Middle East helps ONLY them.

[bpj]

Almost funny though calling Trump easily influenced when Biden would've started WW3 in exchange for an ice cream cone and a spongebath from Cornpop...

Couldn't be more obvious Trump's now Israel's bitch, but he replaced Autpopen Biden, and the alternative was a cackling bozo who would've continued importing browns- Hard Pass.

Sane people voted the obvious way. Then Trump did a complete 180 and his promises went out the window.

We wanted what we were promised by Trump, including no new wars.

The difference is Trump lied and changed after we gave him our vote. We all knew what Kamel Hairs was going to do, and the degenerates voted for her anyways.

Agreed - but I don't think Trump has changed - I think he is clearly being blackmailed - someone has a gun to his head and I'd like to know what the leverage is. We know it's not Epstein - he's not comprimised that way - the Dems would've played that card - so what is it? We know it has to do with Israel. What is the leverage Israel has? That's the $1,000,000 question. That is the only thing that makes sense - because, as always, they are the sole beneficiary of this - a weakened Middle East helps ONLY them.

I think the blackmail has changed his course of action. He was supposed to be the billionaire who couldnt be paid off. So, instead they found his weak spot, whatever it is.

My guess is financial crimes. Maybe funneled money through Epstein, something like that.

Careful talking about Israel being the obvious problem though or they'll start calling you an antisemite around here. Doesn't seem to matter how obvious the evidence is.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

The notion that Israel has any leverage over the U.S. (or Trump) is asinine given that they have depended so heavily on us for the weapons they need to fend off the murderous Islamists surrounding them.

And to SorB, maybe you didn't hear about the 30-50 THOUSAND protesters that were killed by the Iranian regime in a few weeks because you were so focused on the atrocity of two whacked out leftists that commited suicide by cop here in the States. Don't you care about them or are they no better than the 1500 Israelis that were butchered a couple years ago?

I applaud Trump for seizing this opportunity to strike a blow against evil in this world and help secure peace for future generations. To those who would like to have seen the Iatollah remain in power, GO TO HELL...

[gil]

I can't imagine that many people are going to defend Iran and the Ayatollahs. Between the domestic repression/murder of protesters and the acts of the "proxies" (Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.) they are responsible for a lot of the trouble in the world, in my opinion. (I don't care if Khamenei was a simple, modest man. I don't care how many grandchildren he had who all loved him. He perpetrated violence at a grand scale.)

But what happens next? We don't have a great track record of replacing dictators/governments with anything better, do we? I grew up observing the disasters of "nation building" and "they will welcome us a liberators." Of course, any reasonable person wants Iran to be a free society and a peaceful neighbor, but how do we get there? Particularly given that a good proportion of Iran's military is the Revolutionary Guard, who have always been integral to the Islamic Revolution and exporting terror.

And to the point that started the thread: It ***is*** ironic that the president who criticized (in hindsight, justifiably) our military misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan has now started this war. And has done so without working to rally public support for war efforts that we saw after 9/11 or even in the war in Kuwait in the 1990s.

Prayers for our soldiers who have (and unfortunately will) die and be maimed in this war. I hope it will be worth their sacrifice.

P.S. Reading what I wrote, I want to add one thing: I think there are arguments in favor of this war, but so far I do not think President Trump has done much to put these before the American people.

[auroraave]

I have friends from Iran - (one was Ms Tehran!) and they seem to totally support this effort, so maybe I have it all wrong. I am generally against these never ending Middle East wars, and I still think there is something else going on here. People have been pushing "Iran is a threat" for as long as I can remember - there is always some M.E. country that conveniently becomes the latest target of our wrath - but they don't seem to ever strike first. You can debate the Iranian leadership all day long - but what has the Iranian government done to other countries that warrants getting attacked? Can anyone offer an objective opinion and some enlightenment here? I am just so so so so so tired of us spending billions and unaliving our soldiers over the Middle East. I swear it's fucking Groundhog Day - another 'war' to distract and empty our pockets and it never solves anything except to kill time and US kids until they make up the next one. I can't be the only one who recognizes this endless pattern.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat. LITERALLY.

[bpj]

I have friends from Iran - (one was Ms Tehran!) and they seem to totally support this effort, so maybe I have it all wrong. I am generally against these never ending Middle East wars, and I still think there is something else going on here. People have been pushing "Iran is a threat" for as long as I can remember - there is always some M.E. country that conveniently becomes the latest target of our wrath - but they don't seem to ever strike first. You can debate the Iranian leadership all day long - but what has the Iranian government done to other countries that warrants getting attacked? Can anyone offer an objective opinion and some enlightenment here? I am just so so so so so tired of us spending billions and unaliving our soldiers over the Middle East. I swear it's fucking Groundhog Day - another 'war' to distract and empty our pockets and it never solves anything except to kill time and US kids until they make up the next one. I can't be the only one who recognizes this endless pattern.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat. LITERALLY.

As soon as Trump started listing off things Iranians supposedly did back in the 80's as justification, it was obvious it was BS.

"40,000 Iranian protesters killed by their government" feels about as believable as the fake "40 beheaded babies" story was.

Just lies to justify their actions.

We need to get our nose out of everyone else's business. Iran's not our threat, or problem. Now some of our people have died because of it.

"One death is too many" only applied to their fake covid restrictions apparently.