No New Wars!

[Donn Beach]

So after all that they've come up with an agreement we are supposed to disregard.. unbelievable

“People shouldn’t read too much into the language of the MOU,” one of the officials said, describing the agreement as a “political document.”

“What’s more important than the actual document is the understandings we have with each other, and that’s why it’s important to get it done, that we can create the environment to go and talk about all these things, because it basically says we will release sanctions, we will do a deal with nuclear, we will unfreeze funds,” the same official said. “But we’ll release sanctions when, you know, based on progress. We’ll release funds once we’ve agreed on the mechanisms to do so.

[gil]

So after all that they've come up with an agreement we are supposed to disregard.. unbelievable

“People shouldn’t read too much into the language of the MOU,” one of the officials said, describing the agreement as a “political document.”

“What’s more important than the actual document is the understandings we have with each other, and that’s why it’s important to get it done, that we can create the environment to go and talk about all these things, because it basically says we will release sanctions, we will do a deal with nuclear, we will unfreeze funds,” the same official said. “But we’ll release sanctions when, you know, based on progress. We’ll release funds once we’ve agreed on the mechanisms to do so.

#8 below seems critical to our (U.S.) interests. "The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons." And we will lift sanctions on oil (immediately) and other products and services later. And we will organize a $300 billion economic development fund. And we will let them have frozen funds. All because we TRUST them on nuclear matters? Call me skeptical.

1 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts, including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles.
2 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to respect each other’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to refrain from interfering in each other’s internal affairs.
3 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States undertake to negotiate and reach a final agreement within a maximum period of 60 days, extendable by mutual consent.
4 — Immediately upon the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, the United States lift the naval blockade and prevent any interference or obstruction against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and restore traffic within a maximum of 30 days to its full capacity; the traffic of ships shall be proportional to the pre-war volume of traffic on the part of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States also undertakes to withdraw its forces from the surrounding areas within 30 days after the final agreement.
5 — Upon signing this Memorandum of Understanding, the Islamic Republic of Iran will immediately take steps to ensure that the movement of merchant ships from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa is resumed within 30 days to the pre-war volume, taking into account the need for the removal of technical obstacles and the neutralization of mines by Iran.
6 — The United States undertakes, together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran, while ensuring financing of at least $300 billion. The implementation mechanism of this plan, as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 60 days.
7 — The United States commits to ending, on a schedule to be agreed upon as part of the final agreement, all types of sanctions currently facing the Islamic Republic of Iran, including resolutions of the United Nations Security Council and the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, both primary and secondary.
8 — The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
9 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region.
10 — The United States undertakes that immediately after the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and until the date of the lifting of sanctions, the United States Treasury Department will issue waivers for exports of Iranian crude oil, petrochemical products and their derivatives, and all related services, including banking, insurance, transportation, and the like.
11 — The United States undertakes that, in light of the progress of negotiations towards a final agreement, frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran will be released and made fully available. These funds, whether held in the master account or transferred, will be used for any final beneficiary payment determined by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran and will be fully available for use. The United States undertakes to issue all necessary permits and licenses on this basis.
12 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that an implementation mechanism will be established to oversee the successful implementation of and future commitment to the Final Agreement.
13 — Following the signing of this Memorandum of Understanding, and upon receipt of assurances regarding the commencement of implementation of Articles 4, 5, 10, and 11 of this Memorandum of Understanding, and the continued implementation of these steps, the Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States will enter into negotiations for a Final Agreement solely with respect to the remaining Articles.
14 — The final agreement will be approved through a binding resolution of the UN Security Council.

[Donn Beach]

— The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
9 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region

What's the difference between that and the Obama agreement?

[gil]

— The Islamic Republic of Iran reiterates that it will never produce nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States have agreed that the fate of enriched material and the fate of all other mutually agreed nuclear-related issues, including Iran’s nuclear needs, will be adequately addressed in a final agreement; the final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article.
9 — The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States agree that, pending a final agreement, they will maintain the status quo: Iran will maintain the status quo on its nuclear program, and the United States will not impose new sanctions on Iran or strengthen its forces in the region

What's the difference between that and the Obama agreement?

We couldn't believe promises from Iran under the Obama agreement. And there were inspections from International organizations with that agreement. But we left that agreement in 2018 (I think) because Iran was going to build a nuclear bomb anyway.

But we can believe Iran now. Because we have "understandings."

Anything else?

[Donn Beach]

I see he's been needing to defend the new agreement against Obama's, using some colorful language. I guess we can believe them now because we bombed the hell out of them. Why would they want nuclear weapons now?

[bpj]

I see he's been needing to defend the new agreement against Obama's, using some colorful language. I guess we can believe them now because we bombed the hell out of them. Why would they want nuclear weapons now?

Lol. The whole "war" was a disaster Trump got dogwalked into by Netanyahu.

We lost bigly.

Fortunately Trump seems to have realized that lsraeI is the problem. Hope that's the case, it's about time if so.

[Donn Beach]

What's funny about Donald is how he's an open book. He's not subtle. And you can tell he's not a pleasant guy to be around if he's losing. The abuse he's going to heap on his staff or family if something doesn't go his way. Now he's projected that to other nations. Talk about taking it out on everyone. He's managed to include the entire world

[auroraave]

I see he's been needing to defend the new agreement against Obama's, using some colorful language. I guess we can believe them now because we bombed the hell out of them. Why would they want nuclear weapons now?

Lol. The whole "war" was a disaster Trump got dogwalked into by Netanyahu.

We lost bigly.

Fortunately Trump seems to have realized that lsraeI is the problem. Hope that's the case, it's about time if so.

I agree with this - what I want to know is how did Netanyu do it? We know he has to be in a permanent state of war to remain in power in Israel - he is under a lot of heat for war crimes - so war is his only way to stay in power - the question is HOW did he pull The DOnald into this mess. DId he bribe him? Does he have leverage (Epstein FIles)? DId he threaten him and his family? The timeline is pretty interesting when you consider Kirk's assassination led us right into this - he was a major anti-war-in-Iran advisor to The Donald - after his death we went right to war. Coincidence?

It's all so so so so shitty. I;ve heard we are depleting our oil reserves to offset the oil shortage caused by this - prices, which have come down 50 cents a gallon in my 'hood have allegedly been artificially suppressed by the influx of reserves. This mess is not sustainable. Part of me hopes Iran gets that nuke - keep you-know-who in fucking check for once.

I hate to say it but I have become convinced nothing good ever comes from Israel. Nothing. And we reap all the fucking costs because they own our politicians. I really need a barf emoji here.

[gil]

I see he's been needing to defend the new agreement against Obama's, using some colorful language. I guess we can believe them now because we bombed the hell out of them. Why would they want nuclear weapons now?

Lol. The whole "war" was a disaster Trump got dogwalked into by Netanyahu.

We lost bigly.

Fortunately Trump seems to have realized that lsraeI is the problem. Hope that's the case, it's about time if so.

I agree with this - what I want to know is how did Netanyu do it? We know he has to be in a permanent state of war to remain in power in Israel - he is under a lot of heat for war crimes - so war is his only way to stay in power - the question is HOW did he pull The DOnald into this mess. DId he bribe him? Does he have leverage (Epstein FIles)? DId he threaten him and his family? The timeline is pretty interesting when you consider Kirk's assassination led us right into this - he was a major anti-war-in-Iran advisor to The Donald - after his death we went right to war. Coincidence?

It's all so so so so shitty. I;ve heard we are depleting our oil reserves to offset the oil shortage caused by this - prices, which have come down 50 cents a gallon in my 'hood have allegedly been artificially suppressed by the influx of reserves. This mess is not sustainable. Part of me hopes Iran gets that nuke - keep you-know-who in fucking check for once.

I hate to say it but I have become convinced nothing good ever comes from Israel. Nothing. And we reap all the fucking costs because they own our politicians. I really need a barf emoji here.

I have no idea if Netanyahu has anything on President Trump, but it does seem to me that the president's supporters are divided sharply on Israel: partnering with Israel in the attacks on Iran is supported strongly by some, and despised by others. And I think you are right about the domestic politics in Israel. Netanyahu needs this.

Yes the US and other countries have "strategic reserves" (i.e., owned and controlled by the governments). A lot of oil has been released from these reserves, with the goal of lowering prices, to the point where US reserves are now lower than they have been since 1983. We need to build up our reserves for the next crisis, which hopefully won't be of our own making.

[Donn Beach]

Well that didn't last long

Iran says it is closing the Strait of Hormuz and accuses the US and Israel of violating the ceasefire deal, after Israel continued strikes on Lebanon

Seems the Iranians have discovered a handy leverage mechanism in regards to the geography of the region. Lot more effective than blowing up an airliner or whatever. Thanks Donald, this wouldn't have been possible without your war. The Iranians are loving it.

And it had nothing to do with Israel having something on Donald. It's already been established what happened. They played him. Came up with a plan they sold him. Easy peazy, they had intelligence that the Iranian govt was ready to collapse. All they had to do was push it a little. Donald was going to be a hero, a nation builder.

Listen to what Donald talks about when he began the bombing. He's calling for the Iranians to rise and kick the regime out. Problem is it backfired, it actually strengthened the regime. And handed it this handy new weapon. A lot simpler than building a nuke. And it's why Donald is so pissed at Israel now. They BSed him