Man sets himself on fire to protest Gaza situation

[Bil522]

Speaking of Hamas, I keep hearing they're "terrorists", but I can't find any acts of aggression that weren't directed at the occupying force (Israel).

Anybody have examples of what supposedly makes them terrorists?

Here is a list of Hostages Hamas has besides Israel: Thailand, Nepal, Philippines, United States, Russia, France, Germany, United Kingdom, Ireland, Argentina

[bpj]

Speaking of Hamas, I keep hearing they're "terrorists", but I can't find any acts of aggression that weren't directed at the occupying force (Israel).

Anybody have examples of what supposedly makes them terrorists?

Here is a list of Hostages Hamas has besides Israel: Thailand, Nepal, Philippines, United States, Russia, France, Germany, United Kingdom, Ireland, Argentina

Cry some more. Why were they there to begin with? Stealing some Palestinian land for a "settlement" because they can, because they're "Jewish"?

Israel had over 1,300 Palestinian hostages pre-10/7.

10/7 didn't happen out of the blue without reason. There was no ceasefire, Israel had killed 38 Palestinian kids in 2023 before October 7th.

Ever ask yourselves why Israel has to release 40x more hostages than Hamas? Or do you people even hear about that side on your Jew-controlled TV boxes? (rhetorical question, of course you don't).
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[Pharmabro]

Speaking of Hamas, I keep hearing they're "terrorists", but I can't find any acts of aggression that weren't directed at the occupying force (Israel).

Anybody have examples of what supposedly makes them terrorists?

Kidnapping?

Murder?

Acts of terrorism.

[bpj]

Speaking of Hamas, I keep hearing they're "terrorists", but I can't find any acts of aggression that weren't directed at the occupying force (Israel).

Anybody have examples of what supposedly makes them terrorists?

Kidnapping?

Murder?

Acts of terrorism.

Sure, I understand the words. Do you have any specific examples in modern history (the last 40 or 50 years) where Palestinians have kidnapped, murdered, or terrorized anyone that don't involve their captors (Israel)?

I already showed in my last post that Israel was holding 1,300 Palestinian hostages pre-10/7. What's good for the goose...

Can't hold the prisoners to a higher standard than their overlords.

There's just no way of looking at it where Israel are the good guys in this.

They've picked fights with all their neighbors over the last year+. Including Palestine, which I already showed had had 38 of their children killed by occupying forces prior to 10/7 (not to mention the 1300 hostages in Israeli prisons).

And we're supposed to act like Israel are the ones keeping stability in the region? Lol.

They're the cause of all of it. And it's pretty obvious, meanwhile they sell the big, bad Muslim as the boogeyman, and most Americans have fallen for it.

*hint: they're not terrorists, they're an occupied resistance

Here, I'll let Grok help you-

[Donn Beach]

Speaking of Hamas, I keep hearing they're "terrorists", but I can't find any acts of aggression that weren't directed at the occupying force (Israel).

Anybody have examples of what supposedly makes them terrorists?

Kidnapping?

Murder?

Acts of terrorism.

The Gaza war began with hamas shooting down civilians at a music festival, I'd call that a terroristic act, and they took hostages. I'm not saying they should necessarily be labeled a terroristic organization

[bpj]

Speaking of Hamas, I keep hearing they're "terrorists", but I can't find any acts of aggression that weren't directed at the occupying force (Israel).

Anybody have examples of what supposedly makes them terrorists?

Kidnapping?

Murder?

Acts of terrorism.

The Gaza war began with hamas shooting down civilians at a music festival, I'd call that a terroristic act, and they took hostages. I'm not saying they should necessarily be labeled a terroristic organization

How did Hamas start it on 10/7 when Israel had already killed 38 of their KIDS before October and had 1,300+ Palestinian hostages already in their prisons pre-10/7?

You're buying (and parroting) the lying media's talking points.

Hamas fought back and took hostages to secure the release of their own people who were already being held hostage by Israel.

That's why Hamas has released 24 hostages while Israel has released 952.

[Donn Beach]

I'm not parroting anything. I'm stating a fact. Gunning down festival goers is terrorism by definition. I'm not even judging it, tactically speaking it's done to instill fear and regret in the civilian population. Jews committed acts of terrorism before there was an Israel. The King David hotel bombing, it's viewed as one of the critical acts that drove the British out and established Israel to begin with. But that doesn't make the festival shooting any less of a terrorist act. And it's not like I'm even particularly antiterrorism anymore than I'm antiwar. The twin towers, that was remarkable, the idea then the execution. The united states' had invaded the middle east and Ben laden responded. That's a reason for Donald to think twice about treating Gaza like one of his hotel developments

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 021-05-14/

Hamas and Israel: a history of confrontation
By Reuters

May 14 (Reuters) - Israel and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, effective on Friday, after waging their most intense conflict in years. Here is a timeline of the some of the most important events in many years of confrontation.

1987 - Hamas is created at the start of the first Palestinian Intifada, or uprising, against Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Two years later, Hamas carries out its first attacks on Israeli military targets, including the kidnap and murder of two Israeli soldiers.

1993 - After years of violence, the first Oslo Accord, aimed at establishing peace between Israel and the Palestinians, is signed. Hamas opposes the peace process, and seeks to derail it with bus bombings and gun attacks in Israel.

2000 - Israel and the Palestinians fail to reach a final agreement in the peace process at a summit in the United States in July 2000. Two months later, Palestinian protests over a visit by Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon to Al-Aqsa mosque compound in East Jerusalem - known to Jews as Temple Mount, because it was the site of ancient Jewish temples, and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary - develop into a Second Intifada.

2001-02 - Hamas carries out a series of suicide bombings in Israel, including killing 21 Israelis outside a Tel Aviv disco in June 2001, and 30 Jewish celebrants at a Passover seder dinner in Netanya in March 2022. Four months later, Hamas’s military commander Salah Shehadeh is killed in an Israeli air strike, and Israel starts a siege of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's compound in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
March-April 2004 - Israeli air strikes kill Hamas co-founder and spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, and co-founder and political leader Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, in Gaza within a month of each other. The Hamas leadership goes into hiding and the identity of Rantissi’s successor is kept secret.

Aug. 15, 2005 - Israeli forces start a unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, captured from Egypt in the 1967 Middle East war, abandoning settlements and leaving the densely populated enclave under the control of the Palestinian Authority.

Jan. 25, 2006 - Hamas wins a majority of seats in a Palestinian legislative election. Israel and United States cut off aid to Palestinians because Hamas refuses to renounce violence and recognise Israel.

June 25, 2006 - Hamas militants capture Israeli conscript Gilad Shalit in a cross-border raid, prompting Israeli air strikes and incursions. Shalit is finally freed over five years later in a prisoner exchange.

June 14, 2007 - Hamas takes over Gaza in a brief civil war, ousting Fatah forces loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who is based in the West Bank.

Dec 27, 2008 - Israel launches a 22-day military offensive in Gaza after Palestinians fire rockets at the southern Israeli town of Sderot. About 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis are reported killed before a ceasefire is agreed.

Nov 14, 2012 - Israel kills Hamas's military chief of staff, Ahmad Jabari, and eight days of Palestinian militant rocket fire and Israeli air strikes follow.

July-August 2014 - The kidnap and killing of three Israeli teenagers by Hamas leads to a seven-week war in which more than 2,100 Palestinians are reported killed in Gaza and 73 Israelis are reported killed, 67 of them military.

March 2018 - Palestinian protests begin at Gaza's border with Israel against its blockade of the enclave. Israeli troops open fire to keep them back. More than 170 Palestinians are reported killed in several months of protests, which also prompt fighting between Hamas and Israeli forces.

May 7, 2021 - After weeks of tension during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, Israeli police clash with Palestinian protesters near Al-Aqsa Mosque over a legal case in which eight Palestinian families face losing their East Jerusalem homes to Jewish settlers.

May 10 - After a weekend of sporadic violence, hundreds of Palestinians are hurt in clashes with Israeli security forces at Al-Aqsa compound, Islam's third holiest site. After demanding Israel withdraw its security forces from the compound, Hamas fires a barrage of rockets from Gaza into Israel. Israel hits back with air strikes on Gaza.

May 11 - The death toll mounts as the aerial bombardments continue. A 13-story residential building in Gaza collapses after being hit during an Israeli air strike. Palestinian militants launch rockets deep into Israel.

May 12 - The United States announces it will send an envoy to the region. Israel's military kills a senior Hamas commander in Gaza during more hostilities.

May 13 - Israeli air strikes and militant rocket fire continue, and violence worsens in mixed communities of Jews and Arabs in Israel. Synagogues are attacked and clashes break out in some towns.

May 14 - Israel uses warplanes, tanks and artillery against a network of Palestinian militant tunnels under Gaza in an operation that is followed by more Palestinian rocket salvoes.

May 15 - An Israeli air strike destroys a 12-storey tower block that housed international news media organisations, while Palestinian militants fire rocket salvoes at Tel Aviv.

May 16 - Several homes are destroyed by an Israeli air strike on the densely populated enclave that Palestinian officials said killed 42 people, including 10 children, as rocket attacks on Israeli towns persist.

May 17 - Israeli missile attacks kill top Islamic Jihad commander Hussam Abu Harbeed and hit a seven-storey office building that the military said was used by Gaza's Islamist rulers Hamas. Rockets fired by the militants hit a synagogue in the Israeli town of Ashkelon and an apartment block in Ashdod.

May 18 - The United Nations humanitarian agency says nearly 450 buildings in the Gaza Strip have been destroyed or badly damaged, including six hospitals and nine primary-care health centres. Around 52,000 have fled their homes, with most sheltering in U.N.-run schools.

May 19 - Israel says around 4,000 rockets have been launched at it from Gaza, most intercepted by missile defences and some 600 falling within the enclave. U.S. President Joe Biden urges both sides to de-escalate the violence.

May 20 - Both sides resume their attacks but ceasefire talks intensify. Israeli authorities say 12 people have been killed so far in Israel and that it has killed around 160 militants. Health officials in Gaza say 232 Palestinians have been killed, including 65 children, and more than 1,900 wounded.

May 20 - Hamas and the Israeli cabinet issue statements saying a truce has been agreed.


I'm convinced that HAMAS is a peace-loving people.

[bpj]

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 021-05-14/

Hamas and Israel: a history of confrontation
By Reuters

May 14 (Reuters) - Israel and the Palestinian Islamist group Hamas agreed to a ceasefire, effective on Friday, after waging their most intense conflict in years. Here is a timeline of the some of the most important events in many years of confrontation.

1987 - Hamas is created at the start of the first Palestinian Intifada, or uprising, against Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Two years later, Hamas carries out its first attacks on Israeli military targets, including the kidnap and murder of two Israeli soldiers.

1993 - After years of violence, the first Oslo Accord, aimed at establishing peace between Israel and the Palestinians, is signed. Hamas opposes the peace process, and seeks to derail it with bus bombings and gun attacks in Israel.

2000 - Israel and the Palestinians fail to reach a final agreement in the peace process at a summit in the United States in July 2000. Two months later, Palestinian protests over a visit by Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon to Al-Aqsa mosque compound in East Jerusalem - known to Jews as Temple Mount, because it was the site of ancient Jewish temples, and to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary - develop into a Second Intifada.

2001-02 - Hamas carries out a series of suicide bombings in Israel, including killing 21 Israelis outside a Tel Aviv disco in June 2001, and 30 Jewish celebrants at a Passover seder dinner in Netanya in March 2022. Four months later, Hamas’s military commander Salah Shehadeh is killed in an Israeli air strike, and Israel starts a siege of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's compound in the West Bank city of Ramallah.
March-April 2004 - Israeli air strikes kill Hamas co-founder and spiritual leader, Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, and co-founder and political leader Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, in Gaza within a month of each other. The Hamas leadership goes into hiding and the identity of Rantissi’s successor is kept secret.

Aug. 15, 2005 - Israeli forces start a unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, captured from Egypt in the 1967 Middle East war, abandoning settlements and leaving the densely populated enclave under the control of the Palestinian Authority.

Jan. 25, 2006 - Hamas wins a majority of seats in a Palestinian legislative election. Israel and United States cut off aid to Palestinians because Hamas refuses to renounce violence and recognise Israel.

June 25, 2006 - Hamas militants capture Israeli conscript Gilad Shalit in a cross-border raid, prompting Israeli air strikes and incursions. Shalit is finally freed over five years later in a prisoner exchange.

June 14, 2007 - Hamas takes over Gaza in a brief civil war, ousting Fatah forces loyal to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who is based in the West Bank.

Dec 27, 2008 - Israel launches a 22-day military offensive in Gaza after Palestinians fire rockets at the southern Israeli town of Sderot. About 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis are reported killed before a ceasefire is agreed.

Nov 14, 2012 - Israel kills Hamas's military chief of staff, Ahmad Jabari, and eight days of Palestinian militant rocket fire and Israeli air strikes follow.

July-August 2014 - The kidnap and killing of three Israeli teenagers by Hamas leads to a seven-week war in which more than 2,100 Palestinians are reported killed in Gaza and 73 Israelis are reported killed, 67 of them military.

March 2018 - Palestinian protests begin at Gaza's border with Israel against its blockade of the enclave. Israeli troops open fire to keep them back. More than 170 Palestinians are reported killed in several months of protests, which also prompt fighting between Hamas and Israeli forces.

May 7, 2021 - After weeks of tension during the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan, Israeli police clash with Palestinian protesters near Al-Aqsa Mosque over a legal case in which eight Palestinian families face losing their East Jerusalem homes to Jewish settlers.

May 10 - After a weekend of sporadic violence, hundreds of Palestinians are hurt in clashes with Israeli security forces at Al-Aqsa compound, Islam's third holiest site. After demanding Israel withdraw its security forces from the compound, Hamas fires a barrage of rockets from Gaza into Israel. Israel hits back with air strikes on Gaza.

May 11 - The death toll mounts as the aerial bombardments continue. A 13-story residential building in Gaza collapses after being hit during an Israeli air strike. Palestinian militants launch rockets deep into Israel.

May 12 - The United States announces it will send an envoy to the region. Israel's military kills a senior Hamas commander in Gaza during more hostilities.

May 13 - Israeli air strikes and militant rocket fire continue, and violence worsens in mixed communities of Jews and Arabs in Israel. Synagogues are attacked and clashes break out in some towns.

May 14 - Israel uses warplanes, tanks and artillery against a network of Palestinian militant tunnels under Gaza in an operation that is followed by more Palestinian rocket salvoes.

May 15 - An Israeli air strike destroys a 12-storey tower block that housed international news media organisations, while Palestinian militants fire rocket salvoes at Tel Aviv.

May 16 - Several homes are destroyed by an Israeli air strike on the densely populated enclave that Palestinian officials said killed 42 people, including 10 children, as rocket attacks on Israeli towns persist.

May 17 - Israeli missile attacks kill top Islamic Jihad commander Hussam Abu Harbeed and hit a seven-storey office building that the military said was used by Gaza's Islamist rulers Hamas. Rockets fired by the militants hit a synagogue in the Israeli town of Ashkelon and an apartment block in Ashdod.

May 18 - The United Nations humanitarian agency says nearly 450 buildings in the Gaza Strip have been destroyed or badly damaged, including six hospitals and nine primary-care health centres. Around 52,000 have fled their homes, with most sheltering in U.N.-run schools.

May 19 - Israel says around 4,000 rockets have been launched at it from Gaza, most intercepted by missile defences and some 600 falling within the enclave. U.S. President Joe Biden urges both sides to de-escalate the violence.

May 20 - Both sides resume their attacks but ceasefire talks intensify. Israeli authorities say 12 people have been killed so far in Israel and that it has killed around 160 militants. Health officials in Gaza say 232 Palestinians have been killed, including 65 children, and more than 1,900 wounded.

May 20 - Hamas and the Israeli cabinet issue statements saying a truce has been agreed.


I'm convinced that HAMAS is a peace-loving people.

Palestinians have spent their entire lives living under occupation and oppression. They're the resistance.

If another country completely controlled ours, I wouldn't like them either, especially if they treated us like Israel treats Palestinians.

[bpj]

They kill so many Palestinians and keep their conditions so poor that the average age is under 20 years old.

Grok, have most Palestinians spent their entire lives living under the occupation and oppression of Israel?

Yes, a significant majority of Palestinians alive today have spent their entire lives under some form of Israeli occupation or control, though the nature and extent of that control vary depending on where they live and their specific circumstances.
The Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories began in June 1967, following the Six-Day War, when Israel captured the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) and the Gaza Strip. As of March 14, 2025, this occupation has lasted over 57 years. Given that the median age of Palestinians is approximately 19 to 20 years, based on recent demographic estimates, more than half of the population was born after 2005—well into the period of occupation. Even older generations, such as those born in the 1980s or 1990s, have lived most or all of their lives under occupation, as it predates their birth or began in their early childhood.
For Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza—home to about 5 million people—Israeli military control has shaped daily life since 1967. In the West Bank, this includes checkpoints, restrictions on movement, settlement expansion, and military law, while Gaza has been under a blockade since 2007, following Hamas’s takeover, with Israel controlling its borders, airspace, and access to resources. These conditions are widely described as oppressive by Palestinians and human rights organizations, involving land confiscation, home demolitions, and systemic discrimination.
Palestinians in Israel, numbering around 2 million and making up about 21% of the country’s population, are Israeli citizens but face different challenges. They live under civil law rather than military rule, yet many experience institutionalized discrimination, such as unequal resource allocation and restrictions on land ownership, which some characterize as a form of internal oppression distinct from the occupation.
Additionally, millions of Palestinian refugees—over 5 million registered with UNRWA—live in camps in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and the occupied territories. Many trace their displacement to 1948 (the Nakba) or 1967, and their descendants have grown up stateless, often under restrictive conditions imposed by host countries and, in some cases, Israeli policies barring their return.
While the experience of “occupation and oppression” differs—ranging from military rule in the West Bank and Gaza, to blockade in Gaza, to systemic inequality in Israel, to exile for refugees—the vast majority of Palestinians alive today, likely over 80-90% given the young population, have never known a life free from these dynamics. The occupation’s duration, now spanning multiple generations, ensures that most Palestinians have lived their entire lives within its framework.