My VP picks in order of preference

[Mel Bradford]

We will need a real "Commander in Chief"/ President to pick up the battle in January. That Biden and the administration are co-conspirators with the Cartels, that American banks launder their money, that China is a major player in the drug supply chain, that American Alphabets and the State Department promote open borders presents tough odds and the necessity for High Level resolve, action and follow through.

[Donn Beach]

Yeah? And what was trump"s answer, a wall lol

[bpj]

Yeah? And what was trump"s answer, a wall lol

As opposed to Biden leaving the border wide open?

Yeah, sign me up for the wall all day.

[Donn Beach]

Actually who should support open borders is a libertarian

For one thing, consider the enormous, ongoing crisis over illegal immigration. That crisis is a direct result of immigration controls, which is really nothing more than a system of socialist central planning, a system that always produces crises and chaos.

With open borders there is no such thing as illegal immigration because all immigration is legal. Therefore, the crisis entailing illegal immigration stems from laws that make unrestricted migration illegal.

Ask yourself: Can libertarianism really be a philosophy that actually produces ongoing crises and chaos? That should give you a clue as to whether government-controlled borders are consistent with libertarian principles.

[bpj]

Actually who should support open borders is a libertarian

For one thing, consider the enormous, ongoing crisis over illegal immigration. That crisis is a direct result of immigration controls, which is really nothing more than a system of socialist central planning, a system that always produces crises and chaos.

With open borders there is no such thing as illegal immigration because all immigration is legal. Therefore, the crisis entailing illegal immigration stems from laws that make unrestricted migration illegal.

Ask yourself: Can libertarianism really be a philosophy that actually produces ongoing crises and chaos? That should give you a clue as to whether government-controlled borders are consistent with libertarian principles.

As far as I know libertarians draw the line at things they're smart enough to realize would be catastrophic.

[auroraave]

Yeah? And what was trump"s answer, a wall lol

Texas sued the Biden admin to finish the wall - and won - THEY want it. SO do Californians and Arizonians - we are getting crushed financially with this crisis. SO far they estimate 15 million have crossed.


What country has open borders? None. The risk of the undocumented entering is staggering. The crimes, human and drug trafficking consequences are massive. Have you even bothered to consider the crushing financial disaster this is for the average american tax payer? NYC is literally paying for illegals to live in hotels at an AVERAGE of $600 a night - they are getting debit cards and benefits - benefits veterans are not even getting - ALL AT TAX PAYER EXPENSE. How is that fair to the average tax payer? It's not - it's a MASSIVE rip off - all the billions this is costing could be used to upgrade infrastructure, airports, power grids, highways. Instead, new taxes will be introduced to pay for those. how is that fair to the US tax payer?

It's not. Have you seen what is happening in NYC? LA? SF? These cities are in major crisis from this - DENVER is now going under trying to manage the thousands of illegals. Have you considered the cost in the fight resources? Food? Housing? 15 million people needing food (we are paying for) housing (we are paying for), benefits (we are paying for) with ZERO benefit the the tax payer.

NO country is doing this. The danger to the citizens, the cost, the strain on resources is HURTING Americans.

SO, now the question is WTF THE FUCK would you open the border?

Because the Dems know that the poor class has traditionally voted for them. They are letting them in intentionally and PAYING them - with expectations that they will VOTE dem.

As always, the dems cannot run on any policy - they are all utter failures as their policies are not meant to help the average american tax payer, but to exclusively help the donor class. So, they do what they always do - "vote for us and we'll give you free shit."

But - it's not free - the burden is on the US tax payer - they are using our tax dollars to attempt to stay in power - instead of using it for the common good. Anyone with any common sense sees this for what it is.

NO COUNTRY has open borders. This isn't a political statement - this is common sense. Time for the moron class to start using some. It's not about red v blue - I am neither - I am an independent, old school liberal (less gov, no war), a Libertarian (you right to throw a punch ends where my nose begins) and a Jeffersonian (states rights) who is pointing out the obvious - the Dem are bankrupting and destroying the country to stay in power.

I vote with my wallet - voting dem at this point is voting for the people who are making you poorer - you are literally sharpening the knife they are using the slit your throat. The time for pretending otherwise is over. Grow the fuck up. These dem 'policies are killing americans and bankrupting us. "but orange man bad!"

Except we were better off under the 'bad orange man' on every level - economically, no wars, no illegal immigration, no billions going to Ukraine for absolutely no reason. People aren't voting for trump because they are trump fans, they are fans of his common sense policies and are tired of watching the dems destroy everything. Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Chi, NYC, Denver = all cities going under after years of dem "management".

Look at what's happening is SF - all the businesses are leaving - people are leaving in droves - for the first time in decades the real estate market is softening - a direct result of dem mismanagement, corruption and utter incompetence.

[Donn Beach]

What is the best immigration policy for the United States? At its founding, America exemplified the Libertarian Land ideal: no immigration restrictions of any kind.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/immigra ... rian-roots

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

What is the best immigration policy for the United States? At its founding, America exemplified the Libertarian Land ideal: no immigration restrictions of any kind.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/immigra ... rian-roots

Hey dumbass, this isn't 1776 any longer.
Just think of the drugs that have been created since 1776.
Just think of the crime since 1776.

Pull your head out of your ass and never post something as stupid as this again.

[auroraave]

What is the best immigration policy for the United States? At its founding, America exemplified the Libertarian Land ideal: no immigration restrictions of any kind.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/immigra ... rian-roots

Hey dumbass, this isn't 1776 any longer.
Just think of the drugs that have been created since 1776.
Just think of the crime since 1776.

Pull your head out of your ass and never post something as stupid as this again.

It's truly amazing to see how far some people will go to prove just how f'n stupid and out of touch they are, while trying to protect the very people picking their pockets.

'tis better to be thought a fool then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

[Walla Walla Dawg II]

https://www.cato.org/commentary/immigra ... rian-roots

Hey dumbass, this isn't 1776 any longer.
Just think of the drugs that have been created since 1776.
Just think of the crime since 1776.

Pull your head out of your ass and never post something as stupid as this again.

It's truly amazing to see how far some people will go to prove just how f'n stupid and out of touch they are, while trying to protect the very people picking their pockets.

'tis better to be thought a fool then to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

And on top of it, if you are going to say that America was founded with no immigration policy, you can also say they collected little to no tax, so the politicians couldn't pay for votes with their policies.

I really wish Donn would stick to the sports part of this forum rather than showing how ignorant he is.