Hamas Attack in Israel

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by bpj » Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:50 pm

ddraig wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 4:11 pm
Hey, bpj. Don't you think your avatar is a bit anti-Jewish?
Is it anti-Jewish? Or is it exactly what Palestinians have been dealing with?

It's literally a meme made based on what these Israeli "settlers" do to the Palestinians when they steal their homes.

See for yourself:

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/stat ... -qrIA&s=19

This is the result, so, no, I don't think its anti-Jewish, I think it's an accurate portrayal of what has been happening that people have turned a blind eye to, meanwhile they call the Palestinians terrorists:


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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by bpj » Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:01 pm

gil wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:02 pm
bpj wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:04 am
US Marine Corps Officer Scott Ritter Reveals Truth About Israel War:

https://youtu.be/YV_HsiJg8Io?si=FwC1r9b7cLdgZf8h
If this is "the truth" I sure wish there were a better messenger than Scott Ritter. I mean, he writes for RT.com, the Russian state-owned site and a purveyor of propaganda. (If you don't know about RT, it's a great source of pro-Russia talking points, if that is your thing. Classic effective propaganda. Sounds reasonable and intelligent with just enough truth to suck you in. Then distorts the big stuff.)
Well he's not exactly going to get hired by a Zionist controlled media network when he's sharing these insights, is he.

He's the one whose story seems to align in a manner that makes things make sense, so until a better hypothesis presents itself, I'll keep looking into it.

Because the only alternative viewpoint at this point is, "Muh Israel!" without any reasoning to back it up besides, "October 7th!".

And the people saying that seem to have zero insight into the actual situation the Palestinians are faced with.

So, have to go where the facts lead, and those don't appear to be on Israel's side imo.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by gil » Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:32 pm

bpj wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:01 pm
gil wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:02 pm
bpj wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2023 10:04 am
US Marine Corps Officer Scott Ritter Reveals Truth About Israel War:

https://youtu.be/YV_HsiJg8Io?si=FwC1r9b7cLdgZf8h
If this is "the truth" I sure wish there were a better messenger than Scott Ritter. I mean, he writes for RT.com, the Russian state-owned site and a purveyor of propaganda. (If you don't know about RT, it's a great source of pro-Russia talking points, if that is your thing. Classic effective propaganda. Sounds reasonable and intelligent with just enough truth to suck you in. Then distorts the big stuff.)
Well he's not exactly going to get hired by a Zionist controlled media network when he's sharing these insights, is he.

He's the one whose story seems to align in a manner that makes things make sense, so until a better hypothesis presents itself, I'll keep looking into it.

Because the only alternative viewpoint at this point is, "Muh Israel!" without any reasoning to back it up besides, "October 7th!".

And the people saying that seem to have zero insight into the actual situation the Palestinians are faced with.

So, have to go where the facts lead, and those don't appear to be on Israel's side imo.
Man, I don't know. You are telling me that the only person "the truth" comes from is someone who writes for an anti-American Russian propaganda site? If there are good arguments out there, many outlets (and people) are available, and I feel like I have read quite a bit of pro-Palestine and anti-Israel stuff the past month - and subtle things too. It's not just "the truth" versus mindless acquiescence to what Israel wants.

Tell me ONE important thing Scott Ritter says that you won't find other places?

And "Zionist controlled media network"?? Besides being inaccurate, this is playing into anti-Jewish stereotypes isn't it?

And it's a vapid meaningless slogan. It's reminds me of the people on the left who talk about "systemic racism" and some people just nod their heads without engaging their brains. Or Bernie Sanders seeing every problem as greedy corporations screwing working people.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by gil » Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:44 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:43 pm
gil wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 7:49 pm
D-train wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 6:49 pm
Imagine how different things would be for us if we were neutral in 1945 or advocated for a Jewish state somewhere in Europe instead. There would literally be no such thing as Islamic terrorism against us.
There is also the issue of oil, which led to US military presence in Saudi Arabia. Bid Laden cited that (along with US support for Israel) and said (before 9/11) that Muslims should kill Americans in Saudi Arabia.

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/harmony-progr ... anguage-2/
Maybe but probably 99% due to supporting Israel.
It's a really interesting question: what if there were no Israel, supported by the US, in the Middle East, would the US and Americans be a target of violent Islamist fundamentalism? I think that the bin Laden philosophy of "kill Americans" was "over-determined" - that is, support for Israel would have been enough (without military presence in Saudi Arabia) and vice versa.

There is also the cultural thing. We are not only the "great Satan", we are a decadent, immoral society, turning our backs on traditional values. Bid Laden and other Islamic fundamentalists were influenced by Sayyid Qutb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb

In short, I think our presence in the Middle East is a recipe for conflict - no matter what the reason for that presence was/is.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by bpj » Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:16 am

gil wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:32 pm
bpj wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:01 pm
gil wrote:
Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:02 pm


If this is "the truth" I sure wish there were a better messenger than Scott Ritter. I mean, he writes for RT.com, the Russian state-owned site and a purveyor of propaganda. (If you don't know about RT, it's a great source of pro-Russia talking points, if that is your thing. Classic effective propaganda. Sounds reasonable and intelligent with just enough truth to suck you in. Then distorts the big stuff.)
Well he's not exactly going to get hired by a Zionist controlled media network when he's sharing these insights, is he.

He's the one whose story seems to align in a manner that makes things make sense, so until a better hypothesis presents itself, I'll keep looking into it.

Because the only alternative viewpoint at this point is, "Muh Israel!" without any reasoning to back it up besides, "October 7th!".

And the people saying that seem to have zero insight into the actual situation the Palestinians are faced with.

So, have to go where the facts lead, and those don't appear to be on Israel's side imo.
Man, I don't know. You are telling me that the only person "the truth" comes from is someone who writes for an anti-American Russian propaganda site? If there are good arguments out there, many outlets (and people) are available, and I feel like I have read quite a bit of pro-Palestine and anti-Israel stuff the past month - and subtle things too. It's not just "the truth" versus mindless acquiescence to what Israel wants.

Tell me ONE important thing Scott Ritter says that you won't find other places?

And "Zionist controlled media network"?? Besides being inaccurate, this is playing into anti-Jewish stereotypes isn't it?

And it's a vapid meaningless slogan. It's reminds me of the people on the left who talk about "systemic racism" and some people just nod their heads without engaging their brains. Or Bernie Sanders seeing every problem as greedy corporations screwing working people.
That's the point, I don't think there are things he says that you couldn't find other places. But I'm positive it's viewpoints you're not seeing on your TV box.

I posted him because of his background, but of course you already found something you don't like about him. RT was much more accurate on "Russian Collusion" and the Hunter Laptop than our media sources were.

It wasn't your sources that have been accurate on anything about Russia, so it's pretty easy for me to choose sides from there. Who hopped to the aid of Israel? People that have lied at every opportunity? Sorry if I don't trust what they say when they don't post videos.

Like the 40 beheaded babies that turned out to be fake.

Calling our media a Zionist controlled media network is not inaccurate. You get offended when the flag is next to their names, but the connection is there whether you get offended by it or not.

I don't worry about stereotypes and how offended mental midgets get, especially when the stereotypes are true.

Like saying African Americans commit more than their share of crimes. It's a stereotype, because it's true.

You just get offended when you see the evidence instead of looking into it because that's what you libs are taught to do. It's why you can never see the reality, you get focused on how offended you are.

Tough titties. Zionists are the wizards behind the curtain and people are seeing right through their propaganda now that the facts are no longer being censored on Twitter.
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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by Cascade Kid » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:13 am

It's all Abraham's fault. Ever since he turned 99 years old he just could stop having kids and kept having them through the as of 135. I'm suprised he live over 160 let alone 175 years old.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by bpj » Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:34 am

Cascade Kid wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:13 am
It's all Abraham's fault. Ever since he turned 99 years old he just could stop having kids and kept having them through the as of 135. I'm suprised he live over 160 let alone 175 years old.
:lol:

Yep, exactly!

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by bpj » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:15 am

Insightful piece from the Times of Israel.
Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.

Netanyahu (and the US) enabled Hamas.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years ... faces/amp/


To top it off, there have been people claiming that Israel was slaughtering everybody at the concert Hamas invaded.

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status ... PC1KQ&s=19

Have already pointed out a few pages back why Netanyahu may have let this happen and why. Now it looks like Israel may have inflated the deaths.. When the pieces start to fit together it looks suspicious..

Will be interesting to see what turns out to be the truth.

Took years before we knew "WMD's" was a bunch of BS....

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by Mel Bradford » Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:55 pm

All things being equal.....its hard to believe that the planning and execution of the initial attack got past the Mossad.

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Re: Hamas Attack in Israel

Post by bpj » Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:13 pm

Mel Bradford wrote:
Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:55 pm
All things being equal.....its hard to believe that the planning and execution of the initial attack got past the Mossad.
Agreed.

And considering the Mossad motto, the whole scenario makes more sense.
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