Zelenskyy at the Oval Office

[Seattle or Bust]

I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?

The irony is that you think it should be impossible to agree with someone on one topic while disagreeing with them on another. That is truly the problem with the world when you think about it.

Oh you mean how when BPJ posts a video of Zelenskyy dancing for a comedy show? And says, "look at this flamer" ? A video that has nothing to do with what happened in the Oval Office?

Like that?

You know what I think is a bigger problem in the world? The inability of someone to correct a member of their tribe... like BPJ screaming death to the Jews...

[bpj]

I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?

The irony is that you think it should be impossible to agree with someone on one topic while disagreeing with them on another. That is truly the problem with the world when you think about it.

Oh you mean how when BPJ posts a video of Zelenskyy dancing for a comedy show? And says, "look at this flamer" ? A video that has nothing to do with what happened in the Oval Office?

Like that?

You know what I think is a bigger problem in the world? The inability of someone to correct a member of their tribe... like BPJ screaming death to the Jews...

Boo hoo.

bpj's such a meanie. He says mean things. Who cares if they happen to be true?! People don't respond to your sides hysterics anymore because we all saw it up close and personal on the biggest stage over the last 10 years.

I've invited you many times to show me where I'm wrong (or shut up). You can't, so you just huff and puff and complain about me being able to say whatever I want.

Cry some more, Mary. I doubt anyone but you has taken me saying they have far too much control of our government as "death to Jews!".

As a result of their overwhelming influence on our elected officials, Israel is the #1 welfare state- pilfering US dollars- since WW2.

As an American, we all have a right to complain about that, even if they weren't dropping bombs on their neighbors on all sides and still trying to drag us to war with Iran.

[gil]

I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?

The irony is that you think it should be impossible to agree with someone on one topic while disagreeing with them on another. That is truly the problem with the world when you think about it.

No. I didn't say that is what I think. I agree that people should be able to agree on some things and disagree on others, but I don't see it happening very much. On either side of the political divide.

[bpj]

I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?

The irony is that you think it should be impossible to agree with someone on one topic while disagreeing with them on another. That is truly the problem with the world when you think about it.

No. I didn't say that is what I think. I agree that people should be able to agree on some things and disagree on others, but I don't see it happening very much. On either side of the political divide.

Isn't that pretty much what you were getting at? David Sachs is a climate kook, so all opinions he holds should be ignored by someone like me who rejects climate change, even if what he's saying has obvious merit?

I have no problem seeing truth wherever it comes from. I'm not even a conservative- although I've been pushed that way pretty hard in recent years by the lunatics on the left having nothing of value to say.

SoB says we want to make Trump king. I've already said 10 times I disagree with Trumps stance on Israel, and now we've sent another $12 Billion in aid to Israel since he's been in office while slashing costs and foreign aid to everywhere else.

He's been kicking butt on almost everything. No politician's going to be perfect, but I'm thankful for how much he's getting right right now.

[gil]

I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?

What did he say in the video I posted that you disagree with?

Musk had some pretty bad climate opinions also. Should we not trust his ability to slash spending because of it?

It's funny how libs seem to think you have to agree with everything anyone on their side thinks. That's how you get down the "men are women" lane.

If you disagree with something in the video, by all means, enlighten me.

I don't know enough to say for sure that everything Prof. Sachs says in this clip is accurate. For example, the US pushing Ukraine to not negotiate. I'm sure there are other interpretations as to what happened.

This clip comes from a much longer speech that Sachs gave to the EU Parliament; is that your understanding? From what I have read, Sachs puts the blame on the US for the eastward expansion of NATO. Again, I'm not an expert on international affairs, but I have the pretty strong impression (not just from what I read, but from having a number of friends from Estonia, Romania, and the Czech Republic) that these countries wanted to join NATO. They had agency in the situation. NATO membership was not shoved down their throats by the US, as Sachs claimed.

All in all, what Sachs is saying sounds like Russian talking points. He did an interview with the Russian news site, RT.com:
https://www.rt.com/shows/rt-interview/6 ... ce-change/

By the way, I feel that if I want to know what Putin wants us (Americans) to think, RT.com is a good source. It's an ok news source with a lot of "interpretation." Definitely propaganda. It actually reminds me of the "blame America first" leftist crowd from a few years back, people like Prof. Noam Chomsky who always could tell us what everything was the fault of the US.

[gil]

The irony is that you think it should be impossible to agree with someone on one topic while disagreeing with them on another. That is truly the problem with the world when you think about it.

No. I didn't say that is what I think. I agree that people should be able to agree on some things and disagree on others, but I don't see it happening very much. On either side of the political divide.

Isn't that pretty much what you were getting at? David Sachs is a climate kook, so all opinions he holds should be ignored by someone like me who rejects climate change, even if what he's saying has obvious merit?

{snip}

I do admire people who don't just fall in line with their "tribe". No I don't think you should ignore his opinions. I just think it's interesting (and ironic) that conservatives are choosing to cite Prof. Sachs, when there are a lot of conservative voices saying the same thing. If Sachs had used the EU Parliament speech to lay out a forceful defense of Ukraine, I suspect that a lot of the same conservatives would just be dismissing his opinions as those of a Globalist, "climate change is an existential threat," leftist. But since he is saying things that conservatives agree with, now we can say it's good to agree and disagree with the same person on different things.

Honestly, I wish I had a dollar for every time someone (left OR right) completely dismisses someone because of just one part of what they believe or who they are. I'm really happy that you, bpj - and you too, dt - don't think it should be that way.

[douche]

The irony is that you think it should be impossible to agree with someone on one topic while disagreeing with them on another. That is truly the problem with the world when you think about it.

Reminds me of a scene from Nick of Time, starring Johnny Depp. Two yuppies are sitting in a cocktail commiserating over the state of the world. One guy says to the other, something along the lines of, 'People in this country will never get along because you simply can't cater to 300 million special interest groups.'.

[Mel Bradford]

"This Magic Moment" as the drifters used to sing has many intersecting elements. The White House for whatever reason did not have the usual 'pre-meeting' with Zelensky as is customary with heads of state and dignitaries who visit to announce mutual plans, agreements, etc. However, Zelensky did meet with a Senate delegation who apparently all, including Zelensky were unaware of the difference between a peace negotiation, and a security agreement and the order they come in. Why would one want more arms and military reinforcements on the eve of a peace deal ??
The bottom line is Zelensky wanted a wholesale backing from the US, mutual condemnation of Russia and bi-lateral occupation with the west. (IOW) a NATO incognito......out of his mind and apparently young men to send to the front.
There is speculation that Z met with Dems and they helped derail the deal to make Trump look bad. I don't buy it.

Z came in knowing what he wanted like the last half dozen visits he'd made. "Give me hero's welcome, money, bullets and a party. and don't ask questions". Not this time pal.

Ukraine has lost the war and the whole world knows it, Including Z. Bluster from Macron and Starmer about 'weapons' and 'boots on the ground'
are like cheerleaders trying to pep the fans facing a 49-7 shellacking in the 4th quarter. Its just talk.
Ursula and the EU bandits have bigger plans....they see this occasion to expand their power over the nations of Europe by leading any and all effort to rebuild Ukraine and bring them into membership. The EU is not a nation....its an institution that relies on surrendered authority, money and regulation to tell the 27 countries how to live. A veritable dream that's become a nightmare.

[bpj]

I find it kind of ironic that conservatives are using Prof. Jeffrey Sachs as a reliable source for foreign affairs. He was the director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University from 2002-2016, becoming a leading academic voice (both in the US and internationally) warning about the dangers of a changing climate and the role of humans in creating the problems. Sachs is now President of the United Nations Sustainable Development Solutions Network and an advisor to the UN Secretary General on sustainable development.

Sounding he alarm about climate change and embracing sustainable development and the UN might be consistent with Reagan-era Republicanism, but I don't see many contemporary conservatives embracing these ideas.

But then, politics makes strange bedfellows, doesn't it?

What did he say in the video I posted that you disagree with?

Musk had some pretty bad climate opinions also. Should we not trust his ability to slash spending because of it?

It's funny how libs seem to think you have to agree with everything anyone on their side thinks. That's how you get down the "men are women" lane.

If you disagree with something in the video, by all means, enlighten me.

I don't know enough to say for sure that everything Prof. Sachs says in this clip is accurate. For example, the US pushing Ukraine to not negotiate. I'm sure there are other interpretations as to what happened.

This clip comes from a much longer speech that Sachs gave to the EU Parliament; is that your understanding? From what I have read, Sachs puts the blame on the US for the eastward expansion of NATO. Again, I'm not an expert on international affairs, but I have the pretty strong impression (not just from what I read, but from having a number of friends from Estonia, Romania, and the Czech Republic) that these countries wanted to join NATO. They had agency in the situation. NATO membership was not shoved down their throats by the US, as Sachs claimed.

All in all, what Sachs is saying sounds like Russian talking points. He did an interview with the Russian news site, RT.com:
https://www.rt.com/shows/rt-interview/6 ... ce-change/

By the way, I feel that if I want to know what Putin wants us (Americans) to think, RT.com is a good source. It's an ok news source with a lot of "interpretation." Definitely propaganda. It actually reminds me of the "blame America first" leftist crowd from a few years back, people like Prof. Noam Chomsky who always could tell us what everything was the fault of the US.

Pretty easy to see our government set it all up and installed a puppet regime and eventually covered up US government funded biolabs and other corruption (Biden/Pelosi/Romney/etc.) by dragging Ukraine to war by threatening to join NATO.

Not that hard of a puzzle to piece together when they already admit it.

https://x.com/ricwe123/status/189557116 ... fYH7A&s=19

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[ddraig]

I think we all can agree that what the Dims did during the speech when a 13-year-old cancer patient was introduced, when an 18-year-old High School Student got an appointment to West Point, and when women were acknowledged that they were killed by illegal aliens, what did they do? They sat on their hands, scowling at what Trump did. Trump was right. If he had cured cancer forever, they would have hated him for it and sat on their hands! What does that tell you about the Democrats in Congress and those that will vote for them? There is an old adage, "Actions speak louder than words."