Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

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Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by Cascade Kid » Thu Aug 31, 2023 4:38 pm

Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over? If you just look at the polls, you’d be forgiven for thinking so. Consider the state of the states: Several polls published last week showed former President Donald Trump leading in Iowa (with 42 percent to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s 19 percent and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott’s 9 percent), New Hampshire (at 50 percent versus DeSantis at 11 and businessman Vivek Ramaswamy at 10 percent) and South Carolina (at 48 percent versus 14 percent for both DeSantis and Scott). And in national polls, Trump currently has the support of 50 percent of GOP primary voters1 — a slide of 2 percentage points since last Wednesday’s GOP primary debate, but still a commanding lead over his opponents.

Yet despite these dominant margins, our study of the history of primary polling suggests that it’s still too early to completely write off Trump’s competitors. Here at FiveThirtyEight, we are big believers in the predictive power of early election polling — where it is warranted. While we have found that early national polls tend to predict who will win primaries relatively well, there is a ton of volatility that prevents us from providing the type of clarity analysts want from forecasts. At this point in the 1992 Democratic primary, for example, future President Bill Clinton had not even announced his campaign. And at this point in the 2020 Democratic primary campaign, former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg was garnering just 8 percent in polls of Iowa; come February, he won 25 percent of the popular vote in the caucuses.
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On a side note, it's obvious by the plot below that DeSantis' comments about Trump making payments to a porn star on March 20th gravely hurt him in the research polls. It can be assumed, if this is the case, that any candidate that shows disregard for Trump will lose GOP voter support. It will be interesting to see how this hypothesis holds up for Christie and DeSantis in the coming weeks, and how it may further boost Ramaswamy heading into the next debate.

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Make no mistake: Trump will be hard for his Republican opponents to beat. He has a broad base of support and a smaller but intensely devoted group of followers who think he can do no wrong. But he is not inevitable.
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Personally, I think Trumps roots run too deep for him to lose the nomination barring any disqualification. Furthermore, I believe it would benefit Ramaswamy greatly to accept the role of VP if offered by Trump. This could setup success for Ramaswamy in 2028 and beyond to further achieve his vision and goals. Meanwhile, he might be able to influence Trump into building out or implementing the framework of his vision if Trump is elected in 2024 and find common ground with Ramaswamy (which seems to be a rare Trump attribute).

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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by D-train » Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:05 pm

Yeah given it is only 4 years I think Vivek should reconsider his anti VP stance. But will Trump want Vivek. If I was Trump I would want the Queen Goddess Noem. Pretty sure Trump and I have female appreciation in common. lol
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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by Cascade Kid » Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:38 pm

D-train wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:05 pm
Yeah given it is only 4 years I think Vivek should reconsider his anti VP stance. But will Trump want Vivek. If I was Trump I would want the Queen Goddess Noem. Pretty sure Trump and I have female appreciation in common. lol
Last thing Trump needs is sexual harassment and gesture accussations in the high office :lol:

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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by D-train » Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:14 am

The question is how can that huge gap be closed. Certainly isn't going to be due to more charges filed against him. What would Trump have to do to fall out of the lead?????
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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:40 am

Or on the other hand, what would a candidate need to do to beat him? The argument is they are more electable isn't it? Which would mean arguing he lost the last election, which generally speaking they are afraid to do. Agreeing he won the election but you're more electable doesn't make sense to begin with

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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by D-train » Fri Sep 01, 2023 12:31 pm

Recent Trump vs. Biden polls are dead heat which actually surprises me. DeSantis fairs worse vs. Biden which shocks me. Is there a single person in this country that would vote for Trump over Biden but Biden over DeSantis???? I can't even wrap my head around that.
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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by gil » Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:45 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Sep 01, 2023 12:31 pm
Recent Trump vs. Biden polls are dead heat which actually surprises me. DeSantis fairs worse vs. Biden which shocks me. Is there a single person in this country that would vote for Trump over Biden but Biden over DeSantis???? I can't even wrap my head around that.

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I agree with your take on this. I've had the sense that politically active Democrats feel that Trump vs Biden would be a replay of 2020, with North Carolina possibly in the Biden column as well. I think DeSantis would likely hold all the "Trump states" and challenge in Georgia, PA, Nevada, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire.

I'm not convinced that Trump's support among Republicans stays as high as it is. Does it matter that his arguments that he actually won the 2020 election are not only getting tiresome, but are getting undermined? (e.g., Rudy Guiliani admitting in the Georgia defamation case that he had no evidence the election workers were adding Biden votes).

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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Sep 01, 2023 1:54 pm

Terms of reelection, Georgia could be interesting. Trump would really need to carry it, does the trial impact that?

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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by ddraig » Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:28 pm

The major problem the GOP has right now, if the election were held today, is that if Trump isn't the nominee, how many Trump supporters would vote for another GOP candidate. Trump supporters will vote for him. They are loyal to him. The real question is, will that loyalty transfer to another candidate? I think not. At least not in the numbers that Trump would garner.

Now if Trump will just let the 2020 election go and concentrate on the Democrat mismanagement of the Country, he'd be better off. You are still going to see those who hate Trump more than they love the country to vote for any Democrat. But those who use logic to decide who they will vote for can get past their perception of Trump being a bad person and look at accomplishments. "Are you better off today than you were four years ago?" is a powerful campaign slogan. This isn't an election for Student Body President.

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Re: Is the 2024 Republican presidential primary already over?

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Sep 01, 2023 3:52 pm

I don't know if it's loyalty as much as motivation. If trump isn't on the ballot how many of his supporters just stay home

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