Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by Captain 97 » Fri May 07, 2021 11:47 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
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If he was truly the 2nd best player in the country you would think that he would actually be a starter on his JUCO team. He is the second best in the country about as much as Markelle Fultz was when the sixers wasted the #1 pick on him.
He is the 2nd rated JuCo power forward and i'm pretty sure he was a starter.
Nope. He started one game out of the 16 he played in and was 5th on his team in scoring.

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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by D-train » Sat May 08, 2021 10:02 pm

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Hate to say it but this is an eerily similar to the DK doubters.

DK had 26 receptions his final year at Ole Miss.
DK was hurt and only played 7 games.
I know but wouldn't you say that 3.7 catches per game for a WR roughly equates to 10 points a game for a tall lanky hoopster???
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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by D-train » Sun May 09, 2021 3:39 pm

By Matt Calkins
Seattle Times columnist
Just when you thought you were out … he pulls you right back in.

A couple months ago, it would have been easy for a Huskies men’s hoops fan to dismiss coach Mike Hopkins as a Montlake short-timer. Despite the back-to-back Pac-12 Coach of the Year honors he received during his first two seasons at UW, the Huskies have descended into irrelevance at terminal velocity.

Twenty-seven wins in Hopkins’ second season turned into 15 the following year — just five of which came in the Pac-12, where Washington finished last. And that win total turned into just five last season, four of which came in conference, where the Huskies finished second to last.

The recruiting class looked weak. The mass exodus — which included players such as RaeQuan Battle, Marcus Tsohonis, Hameir Wright, Nate Pryor and Erik Stevenson — was alarming. Hope was nothing more than a flicker.

Now? It’s developing into a flame.

On Tuesday, former Garfield High star Daejon Davis announced he would transfer from Stanford to UW. This came a few days after the Huskies landed power forward Langston Wilson, the country’s No. 2-ranked junior-college prospect. That came a couple weeks after Emmitt Matthews transferred to UW from West Virginia, where he started for the past two seasons. And that came a couple weeks after former Seattle U standout Terrell Brown Jr., who played for Arizona last season, decided to spend his senior year with the Huskies.

In mid-March, the Washington men’s basketball program looked about as fertile as the Mojave — a place you avoided if you wanted to develop or … what’s the word? Win. In early May, though, plenty of fresh seeds have been planted.



The question is: Can Hopkins make them grow?

This isn’t the first time the longtime Syracuse assistant has lured notable talent to Washington. In fact, this incoming crop pales in comparison with that of two years ago, which featured Isaiah Stewart and Jaden McDaniels, two of the top 10 recruits in the country. That 2019-20 team also had former five-star recruit Quade Green (who, granted, was deemed academically ineligible two games into conference play), yet the Huskies still placed last in conference for the first time since 1991.

Is Hopkins all recruit but no develop? We know he can lure, but can he help players mature?

You’d think those questions would have vanished based on what Hopkins did with Lorenzo Romar’s players when he took over the program in 2017. He took a team that went 9-22 and 2-16 in conference the year before and turned it into a 21-win squad. A year later Hop got 27 wins out of the Huskies, a Pac-12 title and an NCAA tournament win.

The way he utilized Matisse Thybulle — the Pac-12’s all-time steals leader — in the zone defense was sublime. The ball movement on offense was pristine.

But then, something happened. If the Huskies were Patrick Swayze dancing for Hopkins’ first two years, they turned into Chris Farley in his next two.

Talented as McDaniels was, he never proved particularly efficient. In the 2019-20 season, the Huskies shot more threes than all but one Pac-12 men’s team during conference play but had the eighth-highest percentage. The next season they were first in three-point attempts during conference play but again eighth in percentage, 10th in rebounds and last in assists and points allowed.

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Their defensive intimidation disappeared. It went from the war zone to the friend zone. Can Hopkins adjust his “D” as opponents have adjusted their means of attacking it?

UW also still seems to be without a reliable spot-up shooter. Can Hopkins fill that void that has plagued the Huskies for two years?

The good news is that there are still copious players available that the Dawgs can acquire to beef up their roster. And we’ve seen that Hopkins and his staff can go out and get them — even after two miserable seasons.

Perhaps the addition of Huskies great Quincy Pondexter to the coaching staff will prove integral in the molding of players. Perhaps Hopkins will rediscover the coaching touch that earned him a contract extension toward the end of his second season.

Perhaps, given the players UW has landed the past couple months, critics were wrong to doubt whether the coach could right this ship. Or perhaps the Huskies will continue their spiral, and by the end of next season fans will say, “Dang, Hop fooled us again.”
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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Mon May 10, 2021 2:45 pm

Since Hop the Flop seems good at utilizing players that he didn't recruit and who have been in other systems, i am mildly optimistic that he can coach this team of misfit toys to 15 wins next season.

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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by Captain 97 » Mon May 10, 2021 5:56 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat May 08, 2021 10:02 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:18 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri May 07, 2021 8:10 pm
Hate to say it but this is an eerily similar to the DK doubters.

DK had 26 receptions his final year at Ole Miss.
DK was hurt and only played 7 games.
I know but wouldn't you say that 3.7 catches per game for a WR roughly equates to 10 points a game for a tall lanky hoopster???
Its hard Hard to say. the sports are so different. Basketball is a sport where talent usually just takes over. A wide receivers stats are more susceptible to be influenced by the circumstances around them, The QB's decision making, the defensive schemes and the play calls etc. I'm trying to think of a basketball player who was pedestrian at one level and stepped it up at the next level and I honestly can't think of one.

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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue May 11, 2021 3:07 am

He might be rated that high based more on potential than anything else. Remember he only has two seasons playing organized hoops. He has the raw talent but is Hop the Flop capable of developing it and getting it to mesh with others' within the team concept?

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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by D-train » Tue May 11, 2021 12:18 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 5:56 pm
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DK was hurt and only played 7 games.
I know but wouldn't you say that 3.7 catches per game for a WR roughly equates to 10 points a game for a tall lanky hoopster???
Its hard Hard to say. the sports are so different. Basketball is a sport where talent usually just takes over. A wide receivers stats are more susceptible to be influenced by the circumstances around them, The QB's decision making, the defensive schemes and the play calls etc. I'm trying to think of a basketball player who was pedestrian at one level and stepped it up at the next level and I honestly can't think of one.
I see you points and am thankful that we likely aren't going to give him a $24M contract based on his "minor league" performance or lack there of. :)
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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by D-train » Tue May 11, 2021 12:19 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
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He might be rated that high based more on potential than anything else. Remember he only has two seasons playing organized hoops. He has the raw talent but is Hop the Flop capable of developing it and getting it to mesh with others' within the team concept?
Absolutely based on potential. Watching the film he didn't look like some Riley Soren type project either. Will be interesting to follow at least.
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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by Captain 97 » Tue May 11, 2021 3:13 pm

I think its positive that Hop is showing an ability to restock things a bit. It indicates that he at least hasn't lost all his credibility with recruits.

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Re: Looks like all over but the cryin for Hop

Post by Michael K. » Tue May 11, 2021 5:56 pm

Total conspiracy theory here, but anyone think the mass exodis may have been because kids like Wright and Stevens knew they would be pressed for playing time next year because people are transferring in?

The whinning and crying on the way out by Wright worried me, but now I wonder if he was just trying to get out in front of the story so it didn't look like he was running away because he knew he wouldn't see the floor, in what is like, what, his sixth year of college!?

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