Hollander promoted to GM

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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by bpj » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:26 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 12:53 pm
Hasslecracked wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:25 am
I swear Mariners fans are the absolute worst. We could win the division and make the World Series, and yet I still think some of you would complain. Saw one guy say he wanted Vogelbach back. Do you guys even realize how happy you were when we got rid of him?
Would have loved Vogey's .786 OPS at DH over the complete garbage they went with that put up the 3rd worst DH OPS in baseball this season at .628

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... 1&sort=9,d
And the worst part is its not like we didn't see the train wreck at DH coming.

We begged for a real DH for the last two years.

Dipoto went with the slop he had on hand and here we are- not as good as we should be.

And they didn't think they needed Vogelbach, what with the great Evan White on the way and all.

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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by Mesully11 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:30 pm

Well, in comparison to most past Seattle GM's Dipoto is a shinning star!
Especially in finding and producing MLB players through the farm system.

We have had had some crap GM's.

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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by D-train » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:32 pm

Mesully11 wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:30 pm
Well, in comparison to most past Seattle GM's Dipoto is a shinning star!
Especially in finding and producing MLB players through the farm system.

We have had had some crap GM's.
Yep when you have dated fat ugly girls for two decades Amy Schumer doesn't look too bad.
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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by bpj » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:35 pm

Mesully11 wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:30 pm
Well, in comparison to most past Seattle GM's Dipoto is a shinning star!
Especially in finding and producing MLB players through the farm system.

We have had had some crap GM's.
This is all true.

It's also true that Dipoto has also been pretty bad.

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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by Mesully11 » Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:38 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:32 pm
Mesully11 wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 5:30 pm
Well, in comparison to most past Seattle GM's Dipoto is a shinning star!
Especially in finding and producing MLB players through the farm system.

We have had had some crap GM's.
Yep when you have dated fat ugly girls for two decades Amy Schumer doesn't look too bad.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by GL_Storm » Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:00 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Oct 03, 2022 3:40 pm
He went with Lind who was a good hitter his whole career than then sucked for us and then left and had another good year.

Seems we need to stop focusing on pretty good hitter and go for great hitters like Nelson Cruz and Cano who both continued to hit well.

Guys like Lind and Winker and Frazier seem to die on the vine at T Mobile.
Yep. This right here.

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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by Vogelbomb » Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:51 am

I said last 3 yrs. That's 2020 season. If you're really worried about signings of Giles and White, you're not very smart. Those contracts didn't affect team's ability to do any of the other business it wanted to do. Giles was a flier that you take to build depth in the pen. He got injured multiple times. That's just bad luck. White's contract is peanuts. It hasnt and never will impact the team's ability to make other moves.

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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by bpj » Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:06 am

Vogelbomb wrote:
Tue Oct 04, 2022 1:51 am
I said last 3 yrs. That's 2020 season. If you're really worried about signings of Giles and White, you're not very smart. Those contracts didn't affect team's ability to do any of the other business it wanted to do. Giles was a flier that you take to build depth in the pen. He got injured multiple times. That's just bad luck. White's contract is peanuts. It hasnt and never will impact the team's ability to make other moves.
He's been here for 7 years- picking an arbitrary point in time is probably what's not very smart. He couldnt accomplish the goal he spent the first three years on, so they moved the goalposts and you're eating it up like a good little Mariners fan because he finally did the bare minimum demanded from his position and put together a playoff team after 7 seasons.

Many of the terrible moves listed were within your time frame including Winker, Romo, Frazier, Giles, not adequately preparing the depth of the team the past two seasons, etc.

Dee Gordon and Yusei Kikuchi were in the middle of their time here in 2020 and had salaries totaling $29M on a payroll of $102M, so do we hold him accountable for them, or is that included in the free pass you're giving him...

Same question goes for continuing to hand playing time to Mallex Smith and Jake Fraley.. "Just give 'em more time!"

All together, the vast majority of the money Dipoto has spent has been wasted on players that bombed.

It's been a gripe of some posters here since his first year when he wasted $30M on trash players like Aoki, Ianetta, Miley and Cishek, and has continued to do so year after year.

They're far behind where they should be at this point because Dipoto hitches his cart to the wrong players, then doubles down on them once they fail.

Maybe he would make a good farm director, but he's not been a good GM.
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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by bpj » Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:17 am

Obviously, I don't care about Whites contract like it will end the world (although his $8M salary in 2025 could represent 7 to 8% of the total payroll) but the problem is its just one of many terrible moves- like giving JP an extension and anointing him SS. It's really easy to single out one small issue like Whites contract and talk down your big nose like it's irrelevant after being presented an entire list.

Along with all of his other moves, Dipoto is way, way in the red on getting value from his million dollar signings.

And all of those dollars are what could be spent on adding actual talent, but he chose year after year to spread the money around on bums instead of on one or two quality players.

Dipoto sank $22.9M this season into White, Romo, Winker, Frazier, and Giles. That's 22% of the payroll.

And still owes Winker and White a combined $11.25M for next season. Then $15M to White ($7M /$8M) the following two seasons.

It's not inconsequential, despite your belief that the Mariners will have a $200M payroll. No wonder the $18M total that White is owed is no big deal to you.
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Re: Hollander promoted to GM

Post by bpj » Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:20 am

Here's a look at why Dipoto lost his payroll privileges- and why one would arbitrarily choose 2020. If you look too deep you just see history repeating itself.

2016
Aoki $5.5M
Lind $8M
Benoit $8M
Miley $6M
S. Smith $6.75M
Iannetta $4.25M
Cishek $4M
TOTAL $42.5M for a total of 3 WAR which represented 29.86% of payroll and $14.2M/WAR

2017
Gallardo $9M net
Smyly $6.85M
Cishek $6M
Valencia $5.5M
Rzepczynski $5.5M
Ruiz $4.5M
TOTAL $37.35M for a total of -0.3 WAR which represented 24.2% of payroll and a $/WAR that brings up errors on a calculator.

2018
Gordon $10.8M
Nicasio $7.75M
Phelps $5.5M
Rzepczynski $5.5M
TOTAL $29.6M for a total of0.5 WAR which represented 18.75% of payroll and a cost of $59.2M/WAR

2019
Gordon $13.3M
Kikuchi $9.5M
TOTAL $22.8M for a total of 0.7 WAR which represented 15.56% of payroll and a cost of $32.57M/WAR

2020
Kikuchi $16M
Gordon $13.744M
Mallex $2.35M
TOTAL $32.1M for a total of 0.0 WAR which represented 59.4% of payroll and a cost of infinity $/WAR

2021
Kikuchi $16.5M
Paxton $8.5M
Montero $2.25M
TOTAL $27.25M for a total of 1.4 WAR which represented 37.12% of payroll and a cost of $19.46M/WAR

2022
Frazier $8M
Winker $6.75M
Giles $5.25M
Romo $2M
White $1.4M
TOTAL $23.4M for a total of 0.9 WAR which represented 22.52% of payroll and a cost of $19.46M/WAR

Overall these players combined for 6.2 WAR for a cost of $215 Million dollars, a cost of $34.67M/WAR


If you're wondering why they had to change course after Dipoto's first few years, look no further.

But, hey, let's get this man a promotion!

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