Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:31 pm

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If the M's can trade for a Bryan Reynolds and Tim Anderson + sign say, Conforto and Senga?... I'd have no problem at all with that being the off season. You offer an extension to Reynolds on arrival, raises your payroll, but also gives you the flexibility to add more in years to come.

1. Anderson 2B
2. France 1B
3. Reynolds LF
4. Julio CF
5. Conforto RF
6. Geno 3B
7. Raleigh/Murphy
8. Winker/Lewis? DH
9. JP SS

Trade for Anderson: Harry Ford + Bryce Miller + Dylan Moore + Diego Castillo + Chris Flexen

Trade for Reynolds: Emerson Hancock + Gabriel Gonzales + Jarred Kelenic + Adam Macko

Deal for Reynolds: 5 year extension starting post his arb years, $115 million.

Deal for Conforto: 2 years, $34 million.

Deal for Senga: 5 years, $75 million

You've added $55ish million in payroll for the next 2 seasons. $31 million comes off the books by letting Conforto and Anderson walk in '25. $16 million is added per year when Reynolds contract kicks in. By 2025... the M's should have a clearer picture our the middle infield with Felnin Celesten, Michael Arroyo, and Cole Young likely approaching AA ball. You'll also be more prepared to manage the rising arb numbers of Kirby, Gilbert, Raleigh and France.
I like Anderson and Reynolds but no way I would do Senga and Conforto over Nimmo. Our rotation is good to go and I don't want a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half to be a key piece. Also that DH combo put up an average OPS of .609. Projectile vomit emoji. Also, can't roster a bad half of a DH platoon that can't run. Lewis is toast.
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:34 pm

Winker at DH and hope for a rebound would be reasonable IF the get 3 above average Bats for 2B and the corners. Reynolds and Tim are that but can't rely on Conforto. If you recall he had a down year in 2021. Combine that with the massive layoff. Hard pass.
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:39 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:31 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:24 pm
If the M's can trade for a Bryan Reynolds and Tim Anderson + sign say, Conforto and Senga?... I'd have no problem at all with that being the off season. You offer an extension to Reynolds on arrival, raises your payroll, but also gives you the flexibility to add more in years to come.

1. Anderson 2B
2. France 1B
3. Reynolds LF
4. Julio CF
5. Conforto RF
6. Geno 3B
7. Raleigh/Murphy
8. Winker/Lewis? DH
9. JP SS

Trade for Anderson: Harry Ford + Bryce Miller + Dylan Moore + Diego Castillo + Chris Flexen

Trade for Reynolds: Emerson Hancock + Gabriel Gonzales + Jarred Kelenic + Adam Macko

Deal for Reynolds: 5 year extension starting post his arb years, $115 million.

Deal for Conforto: 2 years, $34 million.

Deal for Senga: 5 years, $75 million

You've added $55ish million in payroll for the next 2 seasons. $31 million comes off the books by letting Conforto and Anderson walk in '25. $16 million is added per year when Reynolds contract kicks in. By 2025... the M's should have a clearer picture our the middle infield with Felnin Celesten, Michael Arroyo, and Cole Young likely approaching AA ball. You'll also be more prepared to manage the rising arb numbers of Kirby, Gilbert, Raleigh and France.
I like Anderson and Reynolds but no way I would do Senga and Conforto over Nimmo. Our rotation is good to go and I don't want a guy that hasn't played in a year and a half to be a key piece. Also that DH combo put up an average OPS of .609. Projectile vomit emoji. Also, can't roster a bad half of a DH platoon that can't run. Lewis is toast.
Idk.

You'd get sort of a 2 for 1 in signing Conforto + Senga vs Nimmo which would cover more positional depth, leaving less holes overall. I'd hate for the M's to sign Nimmo and then you're stuck with Marco as a 5th starter because the team was afraid to spend after that... what would be better? Nimmo + Marco OR Conforto + Senga? I'd go w. the second option.

Jerry is also making it clearer and clearer by the day that he expects the DH spot to be a rotational spot for the corner OF's and in his interview he said he expects Winker to be a contributor when healthy. I don't agree with it... but it's a hill our moronic GM chooses to die on. If Winker and Lewis can find some footing in '23, you could do worse.

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Post by D-train » Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:51 pm

Yeah agree on that but I can't believe they are going to keep Marco so it would be Brash or Hancock or Dollard, maybe even Flexen + Nimmo and his 130 wRC+ vs. Senga and Conforto with his 100 wRC+.
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Post by D-train » Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:52 pm

That's a big IF regarding Winker and Lewis.
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

Post by ice99 » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:16 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
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ice99 wrote:
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So hopelessly vague as to be noncommittally irrelevant...


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What does "expressed formal interest" mean. Did they ask him if anyone was taking him to prom? Tell them they like the cut of his jib? Swipe right on his Tinder profile?

Either way, I suppose this is encouraging news.
They buy him dinner first?
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

Post by bpj » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:21 pm

Was Tim Anderson rumored to be available at some point?

Doesn't seem like a very White Sox type of move to trade him off.

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:23 pm

bpj wrote:
Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:21 pm
Was Tim Anderson rumored to be available at some point?

Doesn't seem like a very White Sox type of move to trade him off.
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

Post by Coeurd’Alene J » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:55 pm

Just driving by the complex in Peoria Is there anything going on right now worth seeing baseball wise

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:58 pm

Coeurd’Alene J wrote:
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Just driving by the complex in Peoria Is there anything going on right now worth seeing baseball wise
There is a game at Scottsdale stadium at 6pm MST.

https://www.mlb.com/arizona-fall-league/schedule
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