Trade!!!

[HawkandMariner88]

Next up...Ian Happ (considering Pittsburgh isn't moving Reynolds for some unknown reason), Christian Walker, Luis Arraez.

[ice99]

FanGraphs offers its analysis of the trade:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-s ... yer-trade/

Added a bat that ranks above Carlos Correa and Xander Bogaerts without spending $250 Million.

I still like Devers. He's above Correa and Bogaerts. If the Suarez can play 2B, they could do a similar trade.

[D-train]

I think NOT extending Teoscar is the right move. 2023 will be his age 30 season and he'll presumably want an extension of 5 years or more and the risk on that is significant that years 3, 4, and 5 will be bad money.

I like that we're getting his free agent year and can offer him the QO next fall, which should net us an additional draft pick. Let's hope we get a career year from him that elevates him to the top tier of available free agents in 2024.

Will that depend on basic stats, because he isn't going to put up career numbers (non-park-adjusted) with half his games at T-mobile.

I'm sure he'd rather have Cincinatti as his home park but I think a career year will still be a career year regardless of what park you are playing half your games in.

Exactly. MLB Analytics teams are well aware of park factors. I can assure you of that. They look at OPS+ and wRC+ not OPS.

[D-train]

Not many players have come to Seattle and had career years.

Okay fine. So you're saying we shouldn't hope for the player's best? What is your point exactly?

I was asking if anyone knew what stat or stats are used when MLB evaluates a player's value in order to determine an appropriate draft compensation if he turns down the QO.

None. All players that turn down the QO are considered equals.

[D-train]

Next up...Ian Happ (considering Pittsburgh isn't moving Reynolds for some unknown reason), Christian Walker, Luis Arraez.

Cubs are in on the SSs so are buyers.

[D-train]

FanGraphs offers its analysis of the trade:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/blue-jays-s ... yer-trade/

Added a bat that ranks above Carlos Correa and Xander Bogaerts without spending $250 Million.

I still like Devers. He's above Correa and Bogaerts. If the Suarez can play 2B, they could do a similar trade.

Left bat so perfect. I have a hard time imagining Geno at 2B but not like he is some huge guy and if you can play SS you can play 2B so watching Dever bombs will help me quickly get over it.

[D-train]

This lunatic says they are not trading JK because he is white and it would alienate the 425. This is what the media has done to these people's brains.

[D-train]

By Keith Law
Nov 16, 2022
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The Mariners and Blue Jays swung the biggest trade of the week, with Toronto sending outfielder Teoscar Hernández to Seattle for reliever Erik Swanson and minor-league pitcher Adam Macko, a move that saves the Jays some cash and frees up a 40-man spot for Seattle while filling one of their outfield corner spots.

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Hernández has found his level as an average everyday corner outfielder, providing power and hard contact, walking once a week, and playing below-average defense in right even with a strong arm. The Mariners have a place for him with Mitch Haniger likely leaving as a free agent and perhaps Jesse Winker heading out in a trade this winter, and managed to fill that spot without giving up a top prospect or making a long-term commitment. Hernández’s breakout season in 2021 produced over 4 WAR, but he slid back to 2.8 rWAR/2.4 fWAR last year, which looks much more sustainable given his low OBPs and questionable defense. He destroys fastballs and struggles against breaking stuff, which almost feels like a cliché at this point, although the data bears it out — and even today, with pitchers throwing fewer fastballs than ever, a hitter like Hernández can survive just by wrecking them. Baseball Savant’s ratings show him as the fourth-best hitter against four-seamers based on run value last year, behind only Aaron Judge, Yordan Alvarez and Paul Goldschmidt.


The Blue Jays get salary relief, a very good reliever, and a very interesting relief prospect who spent his teenage years in Canada. The major-league reliever is Swanson, who was one of the best relievers in the majors last year, worth 1.8 rWAR/1.7 fWAR in 53.2 innings. There was some good fortune in there, like an extremely high strand rate (85.2 percent, in the top 10 percent of all relievers last year) and a very low HR/FB rate, but he was also just really good at missing bats and throwing strikes. He should be an above-average reliever for the next few years, assuming he stays healthy, and does so for the Jays at a minimal cost.

Left-hander Adam Macko has one of the most interesting backgrounds in pro ball — he was born in Slovakia and began playing there as a kid, then moved briefly to Ireland, then settled in Canada for high school, from where the Mariners drafted him in the seventh round in 2019. He’s had shoulder soreness and other injury trouble the last two years, making just 17 starts between those two seasons, and when he returned to pitch in the Arizona Fall League this year he was 92-95 mph in relief with a grade 55 slider but struggled with strikes. He was already projected as a reliever even before 2022 and I think the continued arm trouble seals it, although he has legitimate upside in that role. He’d be just the third big leaguer ever born in Slovakia, and the first since Slovakia regained its independence in 1992.

[Sexymarinersfan]

Still can't believe they added one of the best bats available on the market.

Hollander doing a great job so far.

I would still fill the following holes-

2B
LF
DH
SP5

Wong/Tanaka/Haniger seems about perfect from where I'm sitting.

Then they can take their pick between Rodon or Senga for the open spot in the rotation.

Lewis and Kelenic can be injury replacements.

So many ways they can still improve the team, and already checked corner outfielder with power off the list. Great start.

Love the idea of upgrading that SP5 spot if the reports are true that they're interested in Senga. Why wouldn't you upgrade at this point, they've been sitting on their cash like Uncle Scrooge McDuck the last few years. Time to make the fans excited, and back it up for once.

Yeah, we still have a bunch of holes on this roster. I wouldn't mind seeing us add another 3 bats if we're being honest, for those exact positions you mentioned.

[D-train]

Still can't believe they added one of the best bats available on the market.

Hollander doing a great job so far.

I would still fill the following holes-

2B
LF
DH
SP5

Wong/Tanaka/Haniger seems about perfect from where I'm sitting.

Then they can take their pick between Rodon or Senga for the open spot in the rotation.

Lewis and Kelenic can be injury replacements.

So many ways they can still improve the team, and already checked corner outfielder with power off the list. Great start.

Love the idea of upgrading that SP5 spot if the reports are true that they're interested in Senga. Why wouldn't you upgrade at this point, they've been sitting on their cash like Uncle Scrooge McDuck the last few years. Time to make the fans excited, and back it up for once.

Yeah, we still have a bunch of holes on this roster. I wouldn't mind seeing us add another 3 bats if we're being honest, for those exact positions you mentioned.

If Winker is traded then need 3 but I would be ok with Dylan at 2B IF we got Two big bats like Reynolds and Bell for LF and DH.