Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

[bpj]

Varsho had a 106 wRC+ in 2022.

Winker had a 109 wRC+.

JP Crawford had a 104.

Bryan Reynolds has a career .842 OPS and 126 wRC+.
Vasho has a career .738 OPS and 101 wRC+.

They're not really in the same league offensively.

Varsho's value comes from his defense and versatility.

For a team that needs offense he's a poor fit imo.

Varsho had 27 dingers in a year in which offense was subdued across the entire league and was good for 4.9 bWAR and 4.6 fWAR. Fangraphs rates him at 7.7 Off and 16.4 Def. If Arizona is willing to move him, then you jump at the chance. This is one of the better outfielders in the league, and he bats left-handed.

While I kind of doubt Arizona would move the player, it's worth asking what they need and if there could be a match.

I get what you're saying, and he's certainly an upgrade over Kelenic. But despite the 27 homeruns his offensive value to his team (106 wRC+) was even less than what Winker (109 wRC+) brought the Mariners because his AVG and OBP were a problem- although he'd fit in well with what the Mariners have been- and his splits were bad enough that we'd still need a RH bat to platoon with him, an .801 OPS against RHP but a .553 OPS against lefties.

For comparison Taylor Trammell had a .775 OPS against RHP with T-Mobile as his home park.

Just don't think there's the upside there that 27 homeruns looks like on paper. And I even love homeruns more than the next guy.

He is like an upgraded version of Kelenic, so if the plan was to just push our LH hitting OF's to AAA, I'm all for it. He's just not upgraded enough to be an impact bat I was hoping they would get. Which is sad because it shows how much Kelenic would need to improve to actually be a 120+ wRC+ player like Mitch Haniger was.

[D-train]

If they do get a RH bat that mashes lefties to pair with TT and TT can maintain that close to .800 OPS with above average D that might work for LF. Just don't go with JK who had a .587 OPS vs. RIGHTIES!

[Big_Maple]

K. Kiermaier to the Jays.

I mention this only because I know that the Jays were in on an OF after trading Hernandez to us. I have heard rumors that they were looking into a trade for Reynolds, so signing Kiermaeir might mean they are done, and we aren't competing with them (if, in fact, JD is actually looking into a trade for Reynolds in the first place).

https://www.mlb.com/news/kevin-kiermaier-blue-jays-deal

[TraderGary]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCkN5zG8wrg

More rumblings on a possible Bryan Renolds trade.

I'd love to get Reynolds, (who wouldn't), but a package of Brash, Hancock, Ford, and Kelenic? Hard pass for me. Remove Brash from the list and I'm listening. Along with Julio, Kirby and Cal, Brash may be my other untouchable unless someone absolutely blew my socks off on a deal.

Edit to add: I would put Munoz on that untouchable list as well.

Gilbert for Reynolds straight up would be a fair deal for both sides. He's a talented and cheap cost-controlled player that a team like the Pirates would covet. Gilbert for Reynolds and go hard after Senga.

That package wouldn't even come close to Reynolds Value, even if Brash were in the deal. Gilbert is slightly worth more than Reynolds and even then I would think Seattlecwould have to sweeten the pot to get a deal done with Pit.

I agree that a package of Hancock, Ford and JK is not enough, but I'm not including Brash in that package. That would be an overpay in my opinion.

[D-train]

Padres still not done. Marco for Tatis straight up!!

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/ ... r-bat.html

[D-train]

These people are just beyond belief:

[Sexymarinersfan]

I'd love to get Reynolds, (who wouldn't), but a package of Brash, Hancock, Ford, and Kelenic? Hard pass for me. Remove Brash from the list and I'm listening. Along with Julio, Kirby and Cal, Brash may be my other untouchable unless someone absolutely blew my socks off on a deal.

Edit to add: I would put Munoz on that untouchable list as well.

Gilbert for Reynolds straight up would be a fair deal for both sides. He's a talented and cheap cost-controlled player that a team like the Pirates would covet. Gilbert for Reynolds and go hard after Senga.

That package wouldn't even come close to Reynolds Value, even if Brash were in the deal. Gilbert is slightly worth more than Reynolds and even then I would think Seattlecwould have to sweeten the pot to get a deal done with Pit.

I agree that a package of Hancock, Ford and JK is not enough, but I'm not including Brash in that package. That would be an overpay in my opinion.

Nope still under pay. Brash just gets you that much closer to Reynolds value. I think people are holding our current group of prospects in way too high of esteem. These kids aren't Julio, Kirby, or Gilbert. Hell they aren't even Kelenic 3 years ago! This group is expendable in the right package. They just aren't THAT valuable, yet.

[D-train]

That package wouldn't even come close to Reynolds Value, even if Brash were in the deal. Gilbert is slightly worth more than Reynolds and even then I would think Seattlecwould have to sweeten the pot to get a deal done with Pit.

I agree that a package of Hancock, Ford and JK is not enough, but I'm not including Brash in that package. That would be an overpay in my opinion.

Nope still under pay. Brash just gets you that much closer to Reynolds value. I think people are holding our current group of prospects in way too high of esteem. These kids aren't Julio, Kirby, or Gilbert. Hell they aren't even Kelenic 3 years ago! This group is expendable in the right package. They just aren't THAT valuable, yet.

I do agree that they are a bit undervalued by the site but not enough to get BR.

[D-train]

That package wouldn't even come close to Reynolds Value, even if Brash were in the deal. Gilbert is slightly worth more than Reynolds and even then I would think Seattlecwould have to sweeten the pot to get a deal done with Pit.

I agree that a package of Hancock, Ford and JK is not enough, but I'm not including Brash in that package. That would be an overpay in my opinion.

Nope still under pay. Brash just gets you that much closer to Reynolds value. I think people are holding our current group of prospects in way too high of esteem. These kids aren't Julio, Kirby, or Gilbert. Hell they aren't even Kelenic 3 years ago! This group is expendable in the right package. They just aren't THAT valuable, yet.

Have you started to do some initial ground work on how might be available for our 3 picks yet. Love that Churchill said it is the most talented draft in 5 years.

[Sexymarinersfan]

I agree that a package of Hancock, Ford and JK is not enough, but I'm not including Brash in that package. That would be an overpay in my opinion.

Nope still under pay. Brash just gets you that much closer to Reynolds value. I think people are holding our current group of prospects in way too high of esteem. These kids aren't Julio, Kirby, or Gilbert. Hell they aren't even Kelenic 3 years ago! This group is expendable in the right package. They just aren't THAT valuable, yet.

Have you started to do some initial ground work on how might be available for our 3 picks yet. Love that Churchill said it is the most talented draft in 5 years.

You know I have. Yeah I read his article right when it came out. I've already been reading a ton on this upcoming draft. Let's see how much motivation I've got in the tank to do another run at this year's crop.