Finally! Official Hot Stove League Thread

[Donn Beach]

Yeah, but correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t he about out of options? I mean you can’t keep bouncing his ass back to the minors to “figure it out” indefinitely. Once he’s out of options, you’ve pretty much got to play him or trade him, right?

I know you’re joking a bit here, but if they give him 300 PAs, and we’re at the trade deadline in July and he’s batting .180 again, what do you honestly do with him?

Jarred Kelenic has one minor league option remaining.

Kelenic's trade value is so low now that if he's batting .180 again in July his trade value won't be significantly lower. The Mariners' hand will be forced when Kelenic runs out of options (which could be as early as next offseason).

Which is exactly why they should have left him in AAA on his last option and not called him back up until he blew the door down.

Now I think they'd have to burn his option just to get him to AAA next season.

Idiots.

Which would have meant leaving him in Tacoma for an entire season wouldn't it, which never would have happened

[bpj]

Jarred Kelenic has one minor league option remaining.

Kelenic's trade value is so low now that if he's batting .180 again in July his trade value won't be significantly lower. The Mariners' hand will be forced when Kelenic runs out of options (which could be as early as next offseason).

Which is exactly why they should have left him in AAA on his last option and not called him back up until he blew the door down.

Now I think they'd have to burn his option just to get him to AAA next season.

Idiots.

Which would have meant leaving him in Tacoma for an entire season wouldn't it, which never would have happened

Why?

Because they painted themselves into a corner on having to burn his last option because they recalled him at the end of last year (which is what they shouldn't have done), so now going into next season they'd have to option him down again and burn his flash option.

That's the only reason. If they had added the LF'er we all knew they needed last year, and the year before, and now again this season, they wouldn't have had to bring him up before he was ready and burn his options at all.

[Donn Beach]

The option had already been burnt when they sent him down in May. It didn't cost them again to bring him up

[harmony]

The option had already been burnt when they sent him down in May. It didn't cost them again to bring him up

Correct.

And the Mariners kept Jarred Kelenic down long enough that he still has not accumulated a full year of MLB service (Kelenic remains under team control for six seasons).

[bpj]

The option had already been burnt when they sent him down in May. It didn't cost them again to bring him up

I know one had been burnt last year.

However, since he was recalled at the end of last season and not optioned back down, he would now need to be optioned down in 2023, which burns the final option.

Had they kept him down at the end of last season they could start him in AAA (and keep him there all of 2023) without burning an option until they recalled him again.

Painted themselves into a corner by ending the season with him on the MLB roster.

[harmony]

The option had already been burnt when they sent him down in May. It didn't cost them again to bring him up

I know one had been burnt last year.

However, since he was recalled at the end of last season and not optioned back down, he would now need to be optioned down in 2023, which burns the final option.

Had they kept him down at the end of last season they could start him in AAA (and keep him there all of 2023) without burning an option until they recalled him again.

Painted themselves into a corner by ending the season with him on the MLB roster.

A player on the 40-man roster who does not open the season on the 26-man roster (or the injured list) is optioned to the minors. The player loses an option if he spends at least 20 days in the minors.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactio ... ue-options

Unless he is removed from the 40-man roster Jarred Kelenic should lose his final option in 2023 if he spends at least 20 days in the minors at any point in the season. His status on the 26-man roster at the end of the 2022 season should not impact his 2023 option status.

[bpj]

The option had already been burnt when they sent him down in May. It didn't cost them again to bring him up

I know one had been burnt last year.

However, since he was recalled at the end of last season and not optioned back down, he would now need to be optioned down in 2023, which burns the final option.

Had they kept him down at the end of last season they could start him in AAA (and keep him there all of 2023) without burning an option until they recalled him again.

Painted themselves into a corner by ending the season with him on the MLB roster.

A player on the 40-man roster who does not open the season on the 26-man roster (or the injured list) is optioned to the minors. The player loses an option if he spends at least 20 days in the minors.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactio ... ue-options

Unless he is removed from the 40-man roster Jarred Kelenic should lose his final option in 2023 if he spends at least 20 days in the minors at any point in the season. His status on the 26-man roster at the end of the 2022 season should not impact his 2023 option status.

Got it, thank you. Would have been a great reason to get a stopgap OF'er before they added Kelenic to the 40 man roster in 2021 and started wasting options before he was ready.

Unfortunately they "weren't ready" to go for it yet, and for whatever reason they just had to see what Kelenic had at age 21 before he had even proven that he was better than his peers by outperforming them.

And we see the results playing out. Even Eddie Effin Rosario would have been an upgrade the last couple years, including pushing us into the playoffs in 2021. And would it have hurt Kelenic to have to wait a bit longer? Turns out, not at all.

He didn't have to struggle like that. They threw him to the wolves without a safety net.

He should just now be starting his MLB time. Such a shame how they handled him.

Looks like there's no pausing that clock now that they started it. What a waste.

I guess I shouldn't cry over spilt milk, but the team would have been better off, and Kelenic would have been better off. And the move to add a MLB OF'er seemed obvious at the time. So it's hard not to.

[GL_Storm]

This made me laugh:

[D-train]

Jay and I are going to this game. Lots of tix available.

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[Sexymarinersfan]

Last night at work. My last patient of the evening. This is what happens when you mix fireworks and alcohol. Hopefully y'all had a safe night last night. Happy New Year's. May 2023 be the year we finally win the World Series!