Day 3 targets
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Both PC and JS said toughness was the watchword that ran through all of their picks this year.
But I think versatility is a close second.
This draft makes both the offense and defense far more versatile. Hopefully that means in creating problems for other teams and not just being able to keep up with other teams.
On Offense
They now have 3 viable running backs, 3 viable wide receivers, 3 viable tight ends and the makings of a very good offensive line.
The quarterback no longer has to pull a rabbit out of a hat and make things happen for the offense to function.
Imagine the combinations they can run out if and when they properly integrate everyone.
-You’ve got your standard 11 Personnel. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. All 3 RBs can run or catch passes and all 3 TEs can block in the run game or run routes. Somebody is going to have a mismatch on every snap.
-Your 12 Personnel. 1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR. Unlimited flexibility.
-How about 13 Personnel? 1 RB, 3 TE. With Cross-Lewis-Brown/Olawatimi-Haynes/Bradford-Lucas flanked by Parkinson and Fant with Dissly as a FB/upback? Here we come. Try and stop us.
-Or how about something completely new? 22 Personnel? 2 RB, 2 TE, 1 WR. A play to force slower LBs onto the field.
6’1″ 222 Zach Charbonnet as a lead fullback for Walker or McIntosh
Or the 2 TE’s chip and release
Or McIntosh motions out to the slot and draws a LB in coverage
Or Dareke Young with a fly sweep
The versatility might allow Dee Eskridge to focus on being a returner and give him a nice limited package of plays in the offense to focus on. No more dipsy doodling at the line of scrimmage. Let’s have him to what he is good at: quick slants that get the ball in his hands, winning contested catches downfield, and using his shifty speed to create YAC.
On Defense
First and foremost, they can stop relying on super-obvious blitzes to get a pass rush. They have enough depth to regularly get pressure in their standard packages. Jamal Adams is no longer your pass rush. He’s what makes the pass rush lethal.
They have enough safeties and nickels to help Bobby Wagner do what he does best: attack the line of scrimmage. When he’s targeted in coverage, that’s a problem. He’s more of a blitzer and a run stopper than a coverage LB, always has been. The Rams used him that way and he had a career-low number of targets in the passing game. And a 90.7 PFF grade. Coincidence? I think not.
They can play it heavy or light on the defense. With say Young-Morris-Reed-Jones they can brute strength the DL. Or they can flank two interior players with a fresh rotation of edges/LEOs/OLBs all throughout the game.
They can lighten up and have 1LB/5DBs and with Diggs-Woolen-Adams-Bryant-Witherspoon on the field as tough as nails in the run game, they won’t lose anything in the size department.
They can ‘OK who’s our blitzer today?’ with Woolen, Wagner, Adams, Bryant, and Devin Bush. Maybe even send Quandre Diggs for a surprise.
Julian Love is so versatile they can disguise their coverages. Who has the deep middle? Is he blitzing out of the nickel spot and Diggs has his back?
If they can get it to work, they’ll be able to play any team. Big-bodied muscle runners, lightning quick gadget offenses and teams with excellent tight ends.
But I think versatility is a close second.
This draft makes both the offense and defense far more versatile. Hopefully that means in creating problems for other teams and not just being able to keep up with other teams.
On Offense
They now have 3 viable running backs, 3 viable wide receivers, 3 viable tight ends and the makings of a very good offensive line.
The quarterback no longer has to pull a rabbit out of a hat and make things happen for the offense to function.
Imagine the combinations they can run out if and when they properly integrate everyone.
-You’ve got your standard 11 Personnel. 1 RB, 1 TE, 3 WR. All 3 RBs can run or catch passes and all 3 TEs can block in the run game or run routes. Somebody is going to have a mismatch on every snap.
-Your 12 Personnel. 1 RB, 2 TE, 2 WR. Unlimited flexibility.
-How about 13 Personnel? 1 RB, 3 TE. With Cross-Lewis-Brown/Olawatimi-Haynes/Bradford-Lucas flanked by Parkinson and Fant with Dissly as a FB/upback? Here we come. Try and stop us.
-Or how about something completely new? 22 Personnel? 2 RB, 2 TE, 1 WR. A play to force slower LBs onto the field.
6’1″ 222 Zach Charbonnet as a lead fullback for Walker or McIntosh
Or the 2 TE’s chip and release
Or McIntosh motions out to the slot and draws a LB in coverage
Or Dareke Young with a fly sweep
The versatility might allow Dee Eskridge to focus on being a returner and give him a nice limited package of plays in the offense to focus on. No more dipsy doodling at the line of scrimmage. Let’s have him to what he is good at: quick slants that get the ball in his hands, winning contested catches downfield, and using his shifty speed to create YAC.
On Defense
First and foremost, they can stop relying on super-obvious blitzes to get a pass rush. They have enough depth to regularly get pressure in their standard packages. Jamal Adams is no longer your pass rush. He’s what makes the pass rush lethal.
They have enough safeties and nickels to help Bobby Wagner do what he does best: attack the line of scrimmage. When he’s targeted in coverage, that’s a problem. He’s more of a blitzer and a run stopper than a coverage LB, always has been. The Rams used him that way and he had a career-low number of targets in the passing game. And a 90.7 PFF grade. Coincidence? I think not.
They can play it heavy or light on the defense. With say Young-Morris-Reed-Jones they can brute strength the DL. Or they can flank two interior players with a fresh rotation of edges/LEOs/OLBs all throughout the game.
They can lighten up and have 1LB/5DBs and with Diggs-Woolen-Adams-Bryant-Witherspoon on the field as tough as nails in the run game, they won’t lose anything in the size department.
They can ‘OK who’s our blitzer today?’ with Woolen, Wagner, Adams, Bryant, and Devin Bush. Maybe even send Quandre Diggs for a surprise.
Julian Love is so versatile they can disguise their coverages. Who has the deep middle? Is he blitzing out of the nickel spot and Diggs has his back?
If they can get it to work, they’ll be able to play any team. Big-bodied muscle runners, lightning quick gadget offenses and teams with excellent tight ends.
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Re: Day 3 targets
I like Penix but I would've had a 6th round grade on him if he had declared this year.Cascade Kid wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:16 pm#33 overall? I don't know if he's even the 4th best QB in the Pac-12 honestly. Yet things have to still playout. #33 just seems very generous IMO.SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:40 pmI just went to the PFN mock draft page just to see where they rated some of the guys that dropped (like McIntosh)... but they've already put next years draftees and draft order up! Seahawks pick 19, and two Huskies went in the top 15 (Odunze and Trice). Penix rated #33 overall.
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When multiple players can run the same offense and flourish. We’ll see what happens with Penix but Kalen DeBoer’s system has worked very well for its QBs.SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:02 pmDon't know about the "system QB" part, as he's had success in the two systems he's been in, but the injury thing is a real concern. I am pretty sure that's a big reason he came back for another year at UW - that would give him two seasons injury-free (knock on wood) to alleviate those concerns.Sexymarinersfan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:46 pm
I like Penix even though he's a system QB and gets injured too easily. However I wouldn't be mad if this is who they selected. I loved watching him at UW.
I like everything about him - leadership is amazing, he's positive, smart, great arm, adequately mobile. Other UW QBs have given similar impressions and didn't pan out in the pros, though, so we'll see about that. I'll be happy with a Heisman and National Championship.
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Re: Day 3 targets
you think the guy that led the nation in passing last year isn't in the top 4 of the Pac 12? GTFO.Cascade Kid wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:16 pm#33 overall? I don't know if he's even the 4th best QB in the Pac-12 honestly. Yet things have to still playout. #33 just seems very generous IMO.SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:40 pmI just went to the PFN mock draft page just to see where they rated some of the guys that dropped (like McIntosh)... but they've already put next years draftees and draft order up! Seahawks pick 19, and two Huskies went in the top 15 (Odunze and Trice). Penix rated #33 overall.
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I think if you can play an entire season in the Pac 12 completely injury free you aren't injury prone. If he would have came out he would have likely been a 2nd or 3rd rounder. If he has a similar season or better then 1st rounder.....
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I would've had him in the 6th round had he declared. And I actually really like the kid.
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He might be, he might not be. Depends on this year. But right now he is not a top 3 QB in the Pac-12.SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:49 pmyou think the guy that led the nation in passing last year isn't in the top 4 of the Pac 12? GTFO.Cascade Kid wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:16 pm#33 overall? I don't know if he's even the 4th best QB in the Pac-12 honestly. Yet things have to still playout. #33 just seems very generous IMO.SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:40 pmI just went to the PFN mock draft page just to see where they rated some of the guys that dropped (like McIntosh)... but they've already put next years draftees and draft order up! Seahawks pick 19, and two Huskies went in the top 15 (Odunze and Trice). Penix rated #33 overall.
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I think he projects as a mid-rounder.Sexymarinersfan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 8:16 pmI would've had him in the 6th round had he declared. And I actually really like the kid.
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Re: Day 3 targets
#1 Caleb WilliamsSeattleAddict wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 7:49 pmyou think the guy that led the nation in passing last year isn't in the top 4 of the Pac 12? GTFO.Cascade Kid wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 6:16 pm#33 overall? I don't know if he's even the 4th best QB in the Pac-12 honestly. Yet things have to still playout. #33 just seems very generous IMO.SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:40 pmI just went to the PFN mock draft page just to see where they rated some of the guys that dropped (like McIntosh)... but they've already put next years draftees and draft order up! Seahawks pick 19, and two Huskies went in the top 15 (Odunze and Trice). Penix rated #33 overall.
#2 Bo Nix
#3 Cameron Ward
These three are the most NFL ready. Bo Nix gets a pretty good boast due to the system he plays in, but he's pretty damn talented. Ward has lots of footwork issues to correct but it didn't impact his accuracy as much as it could have last year. But Ward's elusiveness is excellent and his arm talent is rising big time.
I just don't get the Penix thing. Sure, he led the nation in a college stat. There are lots of college QBs that wore many of these badges, but it never met that they were actually better than any other QB. Under the guard of great pass protection and two 1000 yard receivers can carry a decent QB's stats to nation leading status. Just doesn't carry as much weight as it can lead someone to believe. But hey, if you believe he's great then don't let me stop you from thinking otherwise.
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This has him as the best Senior in the nation next season. No way that is a 6th rounder. If you mean 3rd rounder by mid that would be the floor.
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