Interesting article

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:37 pm

from the MVP article on RW, pulling off the big play....
There was a time when I would say that about Wilson, but it wouldn't be 2019. I'm not suggesting Wilson is incapable of pulling some magic out and scrambling forever before finding an open receiver if he needs to on a big play. I'm saying he hasn't really needed to very often this season. He looks about as under control and collected as any quarterback in football these days, like the game has slowed down several speeds. In an offense that hasn't valued him the way he deserved to be valued and with a receiving corps other quarterbacks would struggle to use well, though, Wilson has absolutely torn apart opposing defenses all season.
That is the deal isn't it, RW is under control now, he isn't scrambling around trying to make a play out of nothing...I don't know if Shotty gets credit for that but I am willing to give him some.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by douche » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:12 pm

ThePro wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:18 pm
That article is nearly two years old and written by a hack.
Does it matter? Everyone on this board is a hack. The writer of the article has an opinion. Just like every person on this board.

You don't have to agree with it.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by ThePro » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:09 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:46 pm
Sorry, i just don't see it. The offensive playcalling never seems to catch the opponent off guard. The run game is still mainly giving the ball to a guy who has to constanrly break tackles and push through piles to be productive and the pass game is still essentially the QB buying time with his legs and then throwing dimes to receivers that are not very open. Without a bruising RB and an mvp caliber QB this offense is near the bottom of the league.
Not only do I have no idea what you mean. It is puzzling. Borderline disturbing how you came to this conclusion.

Hawks have the #2 offense in football, #5 rushing offense and the # 5 passing offense . They have generated over 400 yards of offense 4 times(492 vs Bucs) , 500 once (Saints) . Carson is 100 yards behind the rushing leader and Hawks have a MVP candidate QB and a OROY candidate with Metcalf. They are on pace to be best Hawks offense ever.

How are these things possible without catching people off guard? You think they are doing this in spite of Schotty?
Wilson has done less scramble drill this year . Receivers not very open? WTF are you talking about? It's like you are talking about another team.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Michael K. » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:49 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:46 pm
Sorry, i just don't see it. The offensive playcalling never seems to catch the opponent off guard. The run game is still mainly giving the ball to a guy who has to constanrly break tackles and push through piles to be productive and the pass game is still essentially the QB buying time with his legs and then throwing dimes to receivers that are not very open.
I said this many times with Bevell. I don't think it as true today as then. We still see Pete Carroll's stamp all over this offense at times, specifically early in close games, or later in games were we get the lead. But that is what it is. As has been pointed out on here many times, usually in response to me bitching, Pete wins games. Why should he think he needs to change?

I have seen glimpses of what Schotty means...the first half against Atlanta, pretty much 4 plus quarters yesterday, early on in the Rams game. I promise you, Schotty wanted to go for it against LA. If he had, and we got it, we would have lead in that game 21 to 6 at the half. Changes everything. What also changes everything is if we could ever get a kicker hit more than 3/4ths of his kicks!

Besides some oddities with turnovers against the Saints, getting conservative after a turnover against the Ravens, and those odd decisions against the Rams, I find it hard to put much criticism on the offense. Other than the fact that in two of those games we lost, and this offense can't afford that....because the defense isn't going to win any ballgames.

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:46 pm
Without a bruising RB and an mvp caliber QB this offense is near the bottom of the league.
Wouldn't that be the same as saying without Belichek and Brady the Pats would be below average?

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:12 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:49 pm
Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:46 pm
Without a bruising RB and an mvp caliber QB this offense is near the bottom of the league.
Wouldn't that be the same as saying without Belichek and Brady the Pats would be below average?
Well, i mean if they didn't have a RB with Carson's style. There's a lot of successful backs on other teams that would struggle playing in this offense. Too much predictability and not enough blocking. And how many QB's can move around as effectively as Wilson and also throw with accuracy on the run? There's Mahomes and Wilson and not to many others. A lot of the productive but not-so-mobile quarterbacks would take a ton of sacks here with the slow devoloping plays they like to call.

That said, I guess you, Pro, and Beach make some good points. I'll give Schotty the rest of this season to get things running on all cylinders before formally requesting his resignation.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Michael K. » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:31 pm

So, you are upset that they run an offense that takes advantage of the skills their players posses? We have no idea what this offense would look like with another QB or RB, and I hope we go awhile before we figure that out.

BUT, that isn't an issue, to me. I hate it when coaches don't coach to the strengths of their players, and force feed the same style regardless of personnel. My beef with Carroll has been the opposite. That he often times coaches like he still has the LOB. He seems to refuse to allow the offense to win games.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:14 am

I just think he could be more creative and unpredictable with the play calls. That was awful when they were running on 3rd and long in the 4th quarter at Atlanta. It could make things easier for Wilson and Carson, since the blocking isn't likely to improve.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by ThePro » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:48 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:14 am
I just think he could be more creative and unpredictable with the play calls. That was awful when they were running on 3rd and long in the 4th quarter at Atlanta. It could make things easier for Wilson and Carson, since the blocking isn't likely to improve.
Creative and unpredictable? This is after a 5 TD performance by Wilson with nearly 500 yards of offense. You are making zero sense at all .

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Re: Interesting article

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:34 am

It distresses me to inform you, sir, that you are most acutely and irretievably insane.

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Re: Interesting article

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:38 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:37 pm
from the MVP article on RW, pulling off the big play....
There was a time when I would say that about Wilson, but it wouldn't be 2019. I'm not suggesting Wilson is incapable of pulling some magic out and scrambling forever before finding an open receiver if he needs to on a big play. I'm saying he hasn't really needed to very often this season. He looks about as under control and collected as any quarterback in football these days, like the game has slowed down several speeds. In an offense that hasn't valued him the way he deserved to be valued and with a receiving corps other quarterbacks would struggle to use well, though, Wilson has absolutely torn apart opposing defenses all season.
That is the deal isn't it, RW is under control now, he isn't scrambling around trying to make a play out of nothing...I don't know if Shotty gets credit for that but I am willing to give him some.
Plenty of credit to go around for his season. Like I said he might be the first athlete in history to simultaneously be the highest paid AND be underpaid.
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