Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by auroraave » Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:48 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:21 pm
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seattle is not a team that is built to storm out of the gate - there is too much youth - but coupled with decent depth - this is a team that is more likely to hit a stride later in the season. I don't think PC and JS are looking at September as the target for success but rather November/December as far as this team coming together. Yeah, it was a shit show, there are no good take aways except Walker looking good.
More from Pete believing you can't win until the fourth quarter? In this case, the fourth quarter of the season?

I get what you are saying, but we made the playoffs on the strength of a six and three start last year, with a young team. I've said it before, we get THAT Geno? This team is fucked. I get what you are saying about Stafford mastering the offense and getting them into the right play. But, I thought that was what Geno did that Russ couldn't? Why couldn't he do it yesterday?

It was a piss poor effort, and it started with a coaching staff that was flat out whooped by the Rams staff. Should be embarrassing, but I don't think it is. I just don't see a group that is all that fired up or caring. I wonder if you could have an honest conversation with Wagner about the mind set of the coaches and players back then as opposed to now? I mean, DK looked like an idiot picking fights out there, but he might have been the only guy that acted like this wasn't acceptable! I don't see much changing. I think this scheme on defense is shit, I think Hurt is TERRIBLE, and I don't think we have the talent to make up for it. I also think Geno is Geno. I realize I was dead wrong last year, but yesterday was what I expected out of him last year. We were down 1 when he got the ball back and we did SHIT the rest of the afternoon. He was cooked. And? Instead of trying to get K9 involved? Our staff decided to double down on Geno. In a game that we lead at the half and only trailed by one TD until there just under the ten minute mark of the fourth quarter.

We got the ball back down one? Walker gains five yards on first, Geno two straight incompletions. Punt.
We get it back down four? Walker gets us to third and four with a six yard run. Geno incomplete. Punt.
We get it back down eleven? Geno completes one of three passes for two yards. Punt.
Get it back down fourteen and DK decides to negate an eight yard completion by taunting.

Pretty embarrassing. Maybe Walker not being involved isn't all on Waldron, I mean, the defense is just flat out shit, and we will never have the ball. The Rams drives.
16 plays, 75 yards, 9:13 TD
3 plays and punt. Mostly because they had a personal foul and a delay of game.
7 plays 37 yards, 2:12 Blocked FG
6 plays, 33 yards, 0:31, Missed FG
10 plays, 75 yards, 6:04, TD
9 plays, 60 yards, 5:14, FG
14 plays, 79 yards, 6:19, TD
9 plays, 40 yards, 4:12, FG
9 plays, 32 yards, 3:05, FG

So, we forced one punt and were lucky enough to effect the kicking game in the first half. Otherwise this game is even worse. Yes, I am pissed that ew didn't try to get Walker involved, and yes, maybe don't go 3 and out, 4 and out, 3 and out and 3 and out on your ONLY FOUR POSSESSIONS OF THE SECOND HALF. But Jesus. Look at those drives! By a QB that missed almost all of last year and a team without Cooper Kupp and Andrew Whitworth. Disgusting. This defense is Charles Barkley Terrible.
Whoa, whoa whoa, let's not go dissing Barkley! I love that dude! haha - look I donlt disagree with any of it - but also lets remember - the two anchors of the oline left the game - and the offense immediately went into the toilet - that's a pretty big omission when critiquing the offense.

Seattle always lays an egg like this - now they will go to detroit and win. That's also what this team does. The two glaring problems with Seattle, IMO, is the massive amount of youth - they simply do not have enough experience yet - and the second is the dline. I don't think they are lacking talent - but the scheme may not be doing them any favors - and the worse part is they seem to want to get too many secondary guys on the field - supposedly the strength of the d - but that makes no sense to me becuase the game is won and lost in the trenches - having a great secondary make no difference if the dline cannot be at least average - offenses attack defenses weakness - not thier strengths - that's what the lambs did and that's what everyone is going to do. That's 101 level stuff. Again - why I wanted carter - but that ship has sailed and this is the roster. Too often guys were out of position - that's likely a failure of the players and with experience they will learn. In theory.

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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by D-train » Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:53 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
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Michael K. wrote:
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He does if he wants to get paid, thought his contact was performance based. He's considered to be betting on himself
He's fucked then. We supposedly have the best WRing core in the NFL, and that was his performance against the Rams. Wait until we play good teams.
Yeah, I think I'll feel kinda sorry for him if it goes sideways. It's like he was really buying into the PC thing, need to get paid

On Geno's contract
“It’s a good deal for the club, a really good message to everybody on the outside that this is a good place and things are going in the right direction and we’re fired up about it,” Carroll said, via Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times
Jesus that didn't age well...
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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by D-train » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:01 pm

Of course Carter had a monster day and our guy didn't even play. Why did that Dumb F have to go car racing.....We would have him if he didn't
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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by D-train » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:02 pm

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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by Michael K. » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:04 pm

Jalen Carter recorded 6 pressures and a sack on 32 pass rushes in his NFL debut, tied for the most pressures by any rookie defensive tackle in a game over the last five seasons.
His job here would have been to eat up triple team as a part of our two and three man pass rush. Sorry, he is playing in the perfect spot for him. This defense is fucking bad. Hurt sucks, but so do the pieces, and those pieces wouldn't have become studs because we drafted Carter.

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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by Michael K. » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:07 pm

auroraave wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:48 pm

Seattle always lays an egg like this - now they will go to detroit and win. That's also what this team does. The two glaring problems with Seattle, IMO, is the massive amount of youth - they simply do not have enough experience yet - and the second is the dline. I don't think they are lacking talent - but the scheme may not be doing them any favors - and the worse part is they seem to want to get too many secondary guys on the field - supposedly the strength of the d - but that makes no sense to me becuase the game is won and lost in the trenches - having a great secondary make no difference if the dline cannot be at least average - offenses attack defenses weakness - not thier strengths - that's what the lambs did and that's what everyone is going to do. That's 101 level stuff. Again - why I wanted carter - but that ship has sailed and this is the roster. Too often guys were out of position - that's likely a failure of the players and with experience they will learn. In theory.
I totally get your point. But everyone plays nickel and dime, which is putting more DBs on the field. Asking them to play soft is a bigger issue, to me. And having absolutely ZERO plan to generate a pass rush. What a joke it was yesterday. That is far from the best O Line we will play this year. Purdy is going to eat a sandwich while he decides which of his stud pass catchers he wants to throw to.

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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by douche » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:09 pm

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Sadly, Seattle made no adjustments.
That's been my biggest beef for years.

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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by Michael K. » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:16 pm

douche wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:09 pm
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Sadly, Seattle made no adjustments.
That's been my biggest beef for years.
Great point. We used to be able to line up and play base defense, and just have guys like the LOB lock dudes up. That said? The way the game is called now? I'm not even sure that would work anymore. We need to figure out a way to not go three and out like it's our goal. It blows me away that it looks so easy for the other offenses, and so fucking hard at times for us.

Second half was three and out, four and out, three and out and three an out. The defense could have be lights out and we still lose. This was literally the worst football from a Seahawk team that wasn't played in the Kingdome! Absolutely inexcusable, and honestly? Left me with little hope for the rest of this season. Last year was a mirage...but the rebuild needs to happen.

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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:22 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:04 pm
Jalen Carter recorded 6 pressures and a sack on 32 pass rushes in his NFL debut, tied for the most pressures by any rookie defensive tackle in a game over the last five seasons.
His job here would have been to eat up triple team as a part of our two and three man pass rush. Sorry, he is playing in the perfect spot for him. This defense is fucking bad. Hurt sucks, but so do the pieces, and those pieces wouldn't have become studs because we drafted Carter.
He wasn't going to turn this game around, but that doesn't mean he would have been a better draft pick than Witherspoon

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Re: Championship season game thread. Down with the Hams

Post by Michael K. » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:26 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:22 pm

He wasn't going to turn this game around, but that doesn't mean he would have been a better draft pick than Witherspoon
Not ready to make that call after one game, but you can if you want. He would have been a block eater here, that's all Sheldon Richardson was, and that is a pretty good comp for him.

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