So much consternation, fretting and stressing all for not

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you're both overreacting. This game against a junior college o-line and one-look QB COMPLETELY skewed the results. The defense hasn't been tested by a good team or a top WR yet, and the one good team they played, they gave up 31 pts. This is not the LOB... but that's OK.

A game like Monday's also skews the offense's stat line. The game was well in hand, the entire O-Line was out (seriously not one single starter out there in their actual position), plus a hurt QB meant they really scaled back the play calling. Really amazing to me how people are glossing over the fact that we had backups in at EVERY POSITION on the O-Line, and talk about worrying about the offense. How many teams could have any success with 5 freaking backup O-linemen?? We saw how the Giants did with 3 linemen out.

So everybody should just chill. The pass rush isn't as good as it looked Monday. They are closer to the 5 they totaled the first 3 games than the 11-sack juggernaut. The offense isn't as anemic as it looked Monday, either. The run blocking was terrible for most of it, and the passing game was limited to protect the backups.

I am only referring to the D Line. fyi the LOB consisted of D Backs. Facing a good WR isn't going to impact the Run D. They OBVIOUSLY aren't going to to continue setting single game records for sacks vs. competent D Lines put they pretty clearly don't suck either.

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Good piece on Spoon and the D. Simms must not have got the memo that our pass D sucks. lol

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Near they end they bring up this four game gauntlet that will decide the season. Yikes. Brutal.

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Good discussion and points on this thread. This is the most inspired I've seen our D in several years -- at least. But it is still kind of a mixed bag on both sides of the ball. The Giants game was an outlier to me. It's hard to tell much from it because the Giants truly suck and gave up, Geno was dinged, our O-Line was cobbled together, and the officiating blew.

I'm anxious to see what happens in Cincy when we play them. We put a W up and that's undefeated on the road so far, including a huge one in Detroit against a team that is very good.

[SeattleAddict]

I am only referring to the D Line. fyi the LOB consisted of D Backs. Facing a good WR isn't going to impact the Run D. They OBVIOUSLY aren't going to to continue setting single game records for sacks vs. competent D Lines put they pretty clearly don't suck either.

Like the Fearsome Foursome, Purple People Eaters, Steel Curtain, etc were specifically about a group within the defense, but in this context, it's obviously referring to the whole D.

I disagree with the other points as well. The D line produced 5 sacks thru 4 games (2 for Reed, 1 for Edwards, 1 Jones, 1 Adams). Mafe has 2, so maybe you can include him, though he's considered an OLB. ALL the rest of the sacks have been by LBs and DBs. So, the same issues people had about the interior of the DLine still apply, though Reed has been better than I expected.

As for the top WR, it will ABSOLUTELY impact the run D. Having no real threat on the outside means they stack the box, relying on CBs to cover them man-to-man. Having a top WR means rolling an extra defender over help, one less big guy in the box.

The improvement on D is 80% having Bobby Wagner back instead of Barton. BWagz also caused that late INT by shutting down that crossing route, making Danny Dimes hold onto it for an extra half second, then got hit as he threw. Those little veteran differences don't show up on the stat line.

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[Michael K.]

Stats like this are completely misleading. 11 sacks in one game is going to massively skew the optics. That is not sustainable. Teams are not running the ball against seattle because they are having too much success PASSING it. Seattle is one of the worst pass defenses in the league giving up 280 YPG. You don't need to run the ball when the opposing team cannot stop the pass. As bad as denver's defense is... Seattle is right behind them in pass defense.

Uhm, not much to add to that!

A bunch of highlights from one game against arguably the league's worst team means nothing - this defense is not that good. And on top of that, this offense sputtered most of the night and left too many points on the field. Injuries probably are impacting that.

Wish I could argue, but I can't. That said, I'll take 3 and 1 right now.

I'm probably the only on one here who came away from that game even more concerned. Awful third down conversion rates again. Playing 15 yards off the ball on third and ten, bumbling offense. This game was ugly. Without the pick six and all those turnovers and sacks - seattle's offense was putrid. this reminded me of the 6-6 arizona game - hard to watch. Assembling all the defensive highlights and pretending the whole team shined is laughable.

I don't disagree. We aren't pressuring the QB like that anytime soon, because we don't play the Giants again. And the third down offense is dogshit. And, you don't have to tell me about the soft coverage. I sure don't get it. That said, I didn't see it as much Monday night. I think mostly because we knew Jones would have no time to throw.

SF is going to destroy this team. They are young and have a lot of growing up to do, witherspoon was amazing, hurtt finally mixed up the defense, but I did not come away impressed at all. Should have hung 40 on the giants but we managed to bumble around and keep it closer than it should have been.

Cue the "Seattle 70-3 over CInci" predictions.

SF is going to destroy most everyone.

[Michael K.]

That is promising. Whether it is the D Line, LBs or DBs, we need to generate pressure. If the scheme we have now is generating pressure, I don't care who or why.

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[Sexymarinersfan]

Stats like this are completely misleading. 11 sacks in one game is going to massively skew the optics. That is not sustainable. Teams are not running the ball against seattle because they are having too much success PASSING it. Seattle is one of the worst pass defenses in the league giving up 280 YPG. You don't need to run the ball when the opposing team cannot stop the pass. As bad as denver's defense is... Seattle is right behind them in pass defense.

A bunch of highlights from one game against arguably the league's worst team means nothing - this defense is not that good. And on top of that, this offense sputtered most of the night and left too many points on the field. Injuries probably are impacting that.

I'm probably the only on one here who came away from that game even more concerned. Awful third down conversion rates again. Playing 15 yards off the ball on third and ten, bumbling offense. This game was ugly. Without the pick six and all those turnovers and sacks - seattle's offense was putrid. this reminded me of the 6-6 arizona game - hard to watch. Assembling all the defensive highlights and pretending the whole team shined is laughable.

SF is going to destroy this team. They are young and have a lot of growing up to do, witherspoon was amazing, hurtt finally mixed up the defense, but I did not come away impressed at all. Should have hung 40 on the giants but we managed to bumble around and keep it closer than it should have been.

Cue the "Seattle 70-3 over CInci" predictions.

Nah, you weren't. We were fortunate to get a win. We played horribly against a horrible team. We should have dominated that game. All the sacks be damned. Good news is, we have a lot of young players. Hopefully they can develop and get better. But the 2nd half of our schedule is BRU-TAL! Will be lucky to finish 9-8.