Stop throwing to Moore

[D-train]

Exactly how hard is it to learn our offense. He's been here a freaking month.

[ThePro]

Exactly how hard is it to learn our offense. He's been here a freaking month.

That's got very little to do with it. He has to be in the game 1st. Which he was ( 55% of the snaps 3rd highest among WR) And someone has to throw him the ball . I'll give you a hint: He goes to the Children's hospital alot and is married to a pop star.

[Michael K.]

3. Seattle throws plenty of screens or do you not watch the games. RB's have 67 targets out of 280 total targets. That is 25% of total targets (not to mention when others line-up in backfield for TE or WR screens).

Of those 67 targets, I doubt even a third were actual screen passes. There is a huge difference between checking down or swinging a pass out to a backnand an actual screen. Using the screen game, in my opinion, would be huge for us. We dont utilize it much at all. We either don't have the pass catching options to do it, our lineman cant execute it, or Russ doesn't throw it well. I have no idea if it is one, two, three or a combination of all, but simply throwing out RB targets as proof we utilize the screen play is very short sighted.

I am often left wondering why everyone else is able to hash us with it when we are pinning our ears back on Defense, but we seem to almost never even try.

[ThePro]

3. Seattle throws plenty of screens or do you not watch the games. RB's have 67 targets out of 280 total targets. That is 25% of total targets (not to mention when others line-up in backfield for TE or WR screens).

Of those 67 targets, I doubt even a third were actual screen passes. There is a huge difference between checking down or swinging a pass out to a backnand an actual screen. Using the screen game, in my opinion, would be huge for us. We dont utilize it much at all. We either don't have the pass catching options to do it, our lineman cant execute it, or Russ doesn't throw it well. I have no idea if it is one, two, three or a combination of all, but simply throwing out RB targets as proof we utilize the screen play is very short sighted.

I am often left wondering why everyone else is able to hash us with it when we are pinning our ears back on Defense, but we seem to almost never even try.

They were starting to do it more with Penny ...untill

[HawkandMariner88]

1. He's not a pocket passer

2. Yes he holds the ball way too long. Needs to release the ball within 2-3 of the snap.

3. Needs to utilize the RB in the passing game more i.e. screens

That is a post that almost forces me to attack the poster.

1. He is the highest rating passer in the NFL at quick release passer rating. That is done from the pocket.

2. refer to 1 first and then he has the highest passer rating when holding the ball longest before release (extending the play). You can't cover for ever in a scramble drill especially if the passer is a threat to hurt you running.

3. Seattle throws plenty of screens or do you not watch the games. RB's have 67 targets out of 280 total targets. That is 25% of total targets (not to mention when others line-up in backfield for TE or WR screens).

How often do you see Brees scramble? How many plays does he run out of shotgun. Alls Brees does is stand back there & sling it Russ doesn't. Russ scrambles more than he's under center or in shotgun.

[ThePro]

How often do you see Brees scramble? How many plays does he run out of shotgun. Alls Brees does is stand back there & sling it Russ doesn't. Russ scrambles more than he's under center or in shotgun.

Wilson has a 83% comp in the pocket #1 in NFL

https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/russell-wilson/

So far this season Wilson has been in the shotgun 73% of snaps. NO QBs 53% (49% last year). I suppose your going to tell me that Bridgewater isn't a pocket passer either.

How does Brees lack of mobilty define if Wilson
Can throw out of the pocket?

[Michael K.]

3. Seattle throws plenty of screens or do you not watch the games. RB's have 67 targets out of 280 total targets. That is 25% of total targets (not to mention when others line-up in backfield for TE or WR screens).

Of those 67 targets, I doubt even a third were actual screen passes. There is a huge difference between checking down or swinging a pass out to a backnand an actual screen. Using the screen game, in my opinion, would be huge for us. We dont utilize it much at all. We either don't have the pass catching options to do it, our lineman cant execute it, or Russ doesn't throw it well. I have no idea if it is one, two, three or a combination of all, but simply throwing out RB targets as proof we utilize the screen play is very short sighted.

I am often left wondering why everyone else is able to hash us with it when we are pinning our ears back on Defense, but we seem to almost never even try.

They were starting to do it more with Penny ...untill

Yeah, I did notice that. I wonder if they will try and use Prosise in that roll now?

[Michael K.]

How often do you see Brees scramble? How many plays does he run out of shotgun. Alls Brees does is stand back there & sling it Russ doesn't. Russ scrambles more than he's under center or in shotgun.

A huge strength of this offense is big plays downfield when Russ moves around in the pocket. I think sometimes they are designed that way. He has made several throws from the pocket this year, but the last thing I want to do is eliminate the scramble plays, eliminate the roll outs and waggles, just because Drew Brees doesn't do it. My guess is there aren't very many coaches in the NFL worth that salt that would tell Russ to just eat the sack because extending the play is wrong.

[Michael K.]

Back to the screen game, I often wondered why we don't employ it more, and I don't just mean to backs. Seems we had the TE weapons to do it with Jimmy and Willson...in a similar fashion as the Eagles and Chiefs use Ertz and Kelce. Doesn't it seem we could use Lockett, DK or Gordon in a similar way to how the Chiefs and Rams use their guys? Lockett might not be as good as Hill, but he is certainly better than Robert Woods.

It is almost as if we believe there is only the sideways pass, no actual screen. I can't remember a time when I saw us get the ball out to Lockett on a smoke screen or even a basic WR screen...and can you imagine DK running down hill at poor little DBs with blockers in front? He makes the quick out dangerous because he is so hard to tackle. I am sure there are times we have used bubble screens for DK, I even feel there have been a few smoke screens to him. But, are those really the plays that change a pass rush? I have seen us get gashed by many teams this year on the actual screen to a back, were the blocker engages and then releases to get out in front and the back has a convoy and room to run with a head of steam. That makes the pass rush hesitate the next time. We simply don't do that.

I agree with Pro, I can recall a few times we did it with Penny, but, IMO, we didn't do it often enough. Penny has shown to be extremely dangerous in the open field....he should have probably been receiving three or so of those a game, not a season.

[ThePro]

Back to the screen game, I often wondered why we don't employ it more, and I don't just mean to backs. Seems we had the TE weapons to do it with Jimmy and Willson...in a similar fashion as the Eagles and Chiefs use Ertz and Kelce. Doesn't it seem we could use Lockett, DK or Gordon in a similar way to how the Chiefs and Rams use their guys? Lockett might not be as good as Hill, but he is certainly better than Robert Woods.

It is almost as if we believe there is only the sideways pass, no actual screen. I can't remember a time when I saw us get the ball out to Lockett on a smoke screen or even a basic WR screen...and can you imagine DK running down hill at poor little DBs with blockers in front? He makes the quick out dangerous because he is so hard to tackle. I am sure there are times we have used bubble screens for DK, I even feel there have been a few smoke screens to him. But, are those really the plays that change a pass rush? I have seen us get gashed by many teams this year on the actual screen to a back, were the blocker engages and then releases to get out in front and the back has a convoy and room to run with a head of steam. That makes the pass rush hesitate the next time. We simply don't do that.

I agree with Pro, I can recall a few times we did it with Penny, but, IMO, we didn't do it often enough. Penny has shown to be extremely dangerous in the open field....he should have probably been receiving three or so of those a game, not a season.

They do run the bubble screen with Metcalf . In fact it would've been play of the year so far if he hadn't fumbled on the goaline.