BPJ's Early Offseason Plan

[D-train]

Can't believe people are brain washed into thinking that JP is indispensable. This guy says he is a part of the Core and Raley isn't.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1785096/ ... rs-season/

[rockycola]

Can't believe people are brain washed into thinking that JP is indispensable. This guy says he is a part of the Core and Raley isn't.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1785096/ ... rs-season/

I can live without Crawford. However, Dipoto might fall into to the even/odd year trap. JP was much "gooder" in '21 and '23. With Uncle Jerry, one never know. He is a fanboy of his SS.

[rockycola]

There is the possibility of internal options.

I find it doubtful that ownership will open up their purse strings for big FA splashes and if they squeeze their buttcheeks real hard, they may not want to trade our motherload of CHEAP, "can't miss " minor leaguers.

Samad Taylor #6, Tacoma Rainiers, AAA, B/T: R/R 5' 8"/160 Age: 26 - Tacoma's Defensive player of the year plays all 3 OF positions but but also plays SS and 2B. Achilles heal: His K rate make Eugenio and Teo look like master contact hitters

Kobe Kato #2, Tacoma Rainiers, AAA, B/T: L/ R5' 11"/170 Age: 25 - Good fielding 2B, solid contact hitter, .356\.435\.492\.926, with not much power. I think Bliss is a better option. Should at least get an invite to spring training.

And maybe Polanco will be back and be good.

Serious doubts about Tyler Locklear right now. Not looking good at all to end 2024.

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I'd like to see Vosler in camp and get a chance to play 1B. GREAT in Tacoma this season; has trouble translating into MLB success.

Just some random thoughts entered into the rosterbation thread.

[bpj]

There is the possibility of internal options.

I find it doubtful that ownership will open up their purse strings for big FA splashes and if they squeeze their buttcheeks real hard, they may not want to trade our motherload of CHEAP, "can't miss " minor leaguers.

Samad Taylor #6, Tacoma Rainiers, AAA, B/T: R/R 5' 8"/160 Age: 26 - Tacoma's Defensive player of the year plays all 3 OF positions but but also plays SS and 2B. Achilles heal: His K rate make Eugenio and Teo look like master contact hitters

Kobe Kato #2, Tacoma Rainiers, AAA, B/T: L/ R5' 11"/170 Age: 25 - Good fielding 2B, solid contact hitter, .356\.435\.492\.926, with not much power. I think Bliss is a better option. Should at least get an invite to spring training.

And maybe Polanco will be back and be good.

Serious doubts about Tyler Locklear right now. Not looking good at all to end 2024.
Tyler Locklear trending 2024-09-26.png

I'd like to see Vosler in camp and get a chance to play 1B. GREAT in Tacoma this season; has trouble translating into MLB success.

Just some random thoughts entered into the rosterbation thread.

Good points, I'd like to see Vosler given another chance also.

I just wouldn't pass on the chance to add Casas to the mix, if he happened to be available for pitching this offseason.

With the lack of good free agents, and the increased competition to make the playoffs making few teams likely to trade good players, it may come down to internal options at most positions.

[rockycola]

After thinking it over, Jorge Polanco must not return.
Let him walk; do the $750,000 buyout. DMO, Bliss, even Kato can more than make him gone and forgotten.

Funny, BR is usually pretty accurate in their details but it says the Twins are paying his $12,000,000 salary. Hell, if they are, keep him .
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Looks like only thing Twins got was salary relief. What Dipoto traded to Minnesota for Jorge:

RHP - Darren Bowen: 2024 - 23yo - Cedar Rapids - A+, 2 Wins, 10 Losses, 6.07 ERA. 18 games, 17 starts
OF R/R - Gabriel Gonzalez: .255 \ .326 \ .381 \ .707, mostly in A+ ball. 81 games, 5 HRs, 37 RBIs
RHP - Anthony DeSclafani: DNP - 60-day I.L. (34 yo)
RHP - Justin Topa: pitched in just MLB game for the Twins and 12 in minors.

[D-train]

Good stuff Phil. Yes, I guess Jerry should get props for trading trash for trash. JK proved me right.

[HawkandMariner88]

Guys what really gets me is how people say big time players won't come here yet we landed Cano. Why would he come here instead of staying in NY. Can get big time guys here, it's starts with building a winning culture. Not every player on every team is gonna be a star most are above average to good with a few exceptions. You've got a dynamite pitching staff now you just have to put the talent around it. Honestly what more do you need. You have your stars in Julio & Cal you just realistically need a 2-3 more pieces, question is, where do you get that. My idea.

1. Trade _________ for Vlad Jr.

2. Trade __________ for Luis Arraez

I don't care the prospects you give, until they've proven themselves that's all they are are prospects. You can start with the hoard of SS talent we have, then couple that with 1 or 2 OF then follow that up with a young pitching prospect. Honestly I don't think you can call anyone untouchable. Your not gonna have an All-Star at every level. If you gotta overpay a little so be it. The approach has got to change. Focus on contact rate as well. These moves can & should be made. As far as Soto I repeat, if you can land Robby freakin' Cano you can land anybody.

[Seattle or Bust]

Guys what really gets me is how people say big time players won't come here yet we landed Cano. Why would he come here instead of staying in NY. Can get big time guys here, it's starts with building a winning culture. Not every player on every team is gonna be a star most are above average to good with a few exceptions. You've got a dynamite pitching staff now you just have to put the talent around it. Honestly what more do you need. You have your stars in Julio & Cal you just realistically need a 2-3 more pieces, question is, where do you get that. My idea.

1. Trade _________ for Vlad Jr.

2. Trade __________ for Luis Arraez

I don't care the prospects you give, until they've proven themselves that's all they are are prospects. You can start with the hoard of SS talent we have, then couple that with 1 or 2 OF then follow that up with a young pitching prospect. Honestly I don't think you can call anyone untouchable. Your not gonna have an All-Star at every level. If you gotta overpay a little so be it. The approach has got to change. Focus on contact rate as well. These moves can & should be made. As far as Soto I repeat, if you can land Robby freakin' Cano you can land anybody.

Probably shoot for players that are more available...

Vlad is coming off a 1.155 OPS second half. The Jays said they wanted to keep him and roll it into next year when he was a .830 OPS hitter... now... he's completely off limits until the All Star break if the Jays collapse.

I don't see why Arraez would be available either. I also don't know if you want to trade "whatever prospects" you have for 1 year of a 2B with 0 power who will be making more than Polanco was due this season. I don't see why SD would want to trade a guy who has been a big catalyst for their offense's step forward. The M's already have an Arraez type at the top of their lineup in Robles if he keeps it up.

[Pharmabro]

I'm sure things will change as we find out who the buyers and sellers are this offseason, but at this point, this is what I would do.

1) Trade Randy Arozarena for Luis Arraez (4.3 K% this season with a .316 BA) + prospect or RP (San Diego has several second basemen and Profar is a FA)

2) Trade Luis Castillo and Mitch Haniger for Triston Casas (126 wRC+ in his first 800 PA) (I could see the Red Sox getting a guy like Pete Alonso to fill the vacancy this creates)
https://youtu.be/eXhhrK1OOBY (this 3 HR game was from 3 days ago)

3) Trade whatever prospects it takes (besides Laz Montes) for Brent Rooker.


Lineup:

RF- Robles
2B- Arraez
DH- Rooker
CF- Julio
C- Raleigh
LF- Raley
1B- Casas
SS- Crawford
3B- Moore

Bench: Bliss/Garver/Backup OF that never gets to play (I have no problem with Garver as strictly a backup C. Better than someone like Zeby Savala who never had a bat to begin with..)

Rotation:

Logan
Kirby
Woo
Miller
Hancock

Payroll goes down significantly.

Offense goes up significantly.

1st, great plan.

But I just do not think any of the trades get done. Oakland has their MVP bat Rooker, and the maturation of Bleday, Butlet, S. Langeliers, Tyler S., Gelof, and they have a couple of starters that showed some promise along with a couple of bullets in the pen. Their young SS may be the best prospect in the game:
.433 .474 .668 1.142 across AA/AAA Jacob Wilson Age 22

I think Oakland think they are on the ascent and that last series did nothing to dissuade them. I don't think Rooker is acquirable for any package that makes for a logical choice in Mariner land.

Randy for Luis. I really wish we could have done a prospect swap for him before the Padres did. That said, he has some issues in the field and he does not have the power to be a 1B/DH type. He is like a slow cripple Ichiro. I'd do a prospect package for him because Robles at leadoff could use a Carnie Landsford @ #2. But I don't think the Padres ignore the fact that once they got him they started winning.

Casas: This one might be doable but they wouldn't want the salary stuff. They would want Miller-Woo-Gilbert or Kirby.

And here is and additional problem.
You traded Randy so now Raley can take one of the OF positions but:

Rooker is a DH who you could probably tell to go stand in LF or 1B
Casas has only been a 1B, so 1B/DH
Luis has mainly played DH this year and has had leg issues

I am sorry to be the poo-poo guy but Rooker is not available. I am on the record on going 3-4-5- top 100/ top 100 adjacent types to get him, but I think even those get turned down. So it is give us Woo, Robles, Montez, Taylor, Evans, and Sloan. That trade makes the M's worse, not better.

The M's as presently constructed under Dan and Edgar are a playoff team:
Since the switch check this sh!t out:
Julio .319 .373 .563 168 WRC+
Robles .416 .489 .558 208 WRC+
Raley .272 .348 .568 162 WRC+

After the switch the M's have a 125 WRC+ #4 behind 129 WRC+ LAD. The only players the M's are losing (probably)
JT 148 WRC+
Urias 234 WRC+ in 14 PAs ( He is at like a 90-something for the season)
( Cal, Randy and Dilly are between 116 and 127 WRC+ during the present regime)

The team has a 126 WRC+ since Dan and Edgar have taken the reigns. That is tied for #3 in baseball trailing LAD 129, and Arizona 128 during that period.

What I'd like to see is 1 absolute upgrade via trade FA @ 1B, 3B, 2B, DH. If we could to do 2 even better. I's also like to get a power LHBP guy.

[Seattle or Bust]

I'm sure things will change as we find out who the buyers and sellers are this offseason, but at this point, this is what I would do.

1) Trade Randy Arozarena for Luis Arraez (4.3 K% this season with a .316 BA) + prospect or RP (San Diego has several second basemen and Profar is a FA)

2) Trade Luis Castillo and Mitch Haniger for Triston Casas (126 wRC+ in his first 800 PA) (I could see the Red Sox getting a guy like Pete Alonso to fill the vacancy this creates)
https://youtu.be/eXhhrK1OOBY (this 3 HR game was from 3 days ago)

3) Trade whatever prospects it takes (besides Laz Montes) for Brent Rooker.


Lineup:

RF- Robles
2B- Arraez
DH- Rooker
CF- Julio
C- Raleigh
LF- Raley
1B- Casas
SS- Crawford
3B- Moore

Bench: Bliss/Garver/Backup OF that never gets to play (I have no problem with Garver as strictly a backup C. Better than someone like Zeby Savala who never had a bat to begin with..)

Rotation:

Logan
Kirby
Woo
Miller
Hancock

Payroll goes down significantly.

Offense goes up significantly.

1st, great plan.

But I just do not think any of the trades get done. Oakland has their MVP bat Rooker, and the maturation of Bleday, Butlet, S. Langeliers, Tyler S., Gelof, and they have a couple of starters that showed some promise along with a couple of bullets in the pen. Their young SS may be the best prospect in the game:
.433 .474 .668 1.142 across AA/AAA Jacob Wilson Age 22

I think Oakland think they are on the ascent and that last series did nothing to dissuade them. I don't think Rooker is acquirable for any package that makes for a logical choice in Mariner land.

Randy for Luis. I really wish we could have done a prospect swap for him before the Padres did. That said, he has some issues in the field and he does not have the power to be a 1B/DH type. He is like a slow cripple Ichiro. I'd do a prospect package for him because Robles at leadoff could use a Carnie Landsford @ #2. But I don't think the Padres ignore the fact that once they got him they started winning.

Casas: This one might be doable but they wouldn't want the salary stuff. They would want Miller-Woo-Gilbert or Kirby.

And here is and additional problem.
You traded Randy so now Raley can take one of the OF positions but:

Rooker is a DH who you could probably tell to go stand in LF or 1B
Casas has only been a 1B, so 1B/DH
Luis has mainly played DH this year and has had leg issues

I am sorry to be the poo-poo guy but Rooker is not available. I am on the record on going 3-4-5- top 100/ top 100 adjacent types to get him, but I think even those get turned down. So it is give us Woo, Robles, Montez, Taylor, Evans, and Sloan. That trade makes the M's worse, not better.

The M's as presently constructed under Dan and Edgar are a playoff team:
Since the switch check this sh!t out:
Julio .319 .373 .563 168 WRC+
Robles .416 .489 .558 208 WRC+
Raley .272 .348 .568 162 WRC+

After the switch the M's have a 125 WRC+ #4 behind 129 WRC+ LAD. The only players the M's are losing (probably)
JT 148 WRC+
Urias 234 WRC+ in 14 PAs ( He is at like a 90-something for the season)
( Cal, Randy and Dilly are between 116 and 127 WRC+ during the present regime)

The team has a 126 WRC+ since Dan and Edgar have taken the reigns. That is tied for #3 in baseball trailing LAD 129, and Arizona 128 during that period.

What I'd like to see is 1 absolute upgrade via trade FA @ 1B, 3B, 2B, DH. If we could to do 2 even better. I's also like to get a power LHBP guy.

Your posts are so hard to follow man.

What does improved hitting from players when Edgar took over have to do with anything regarding this offseason plan?

"I am on record going 3-4-5 top 100 prospects/adjacent types to get him." Is that supposed to mean something? Who are you and why does what you think matter so much that it's "on record?" And then you just blindly say that a trade for Rooker would take Woo, Robles, Taylor, Evans and Sloan? On MLBTV that is literally an overpay of about $50 million in Woo and Robles alone. So that's just insane.

You then go and make the most vague statement ever that you'd like an upgrade at 1B, 3B, 2B, DH when the original post literally offers proposals for all those positions...

The post starts with: "Great plan" the middle is, "I don't agree with any of it" then ends with, "I want to do exactly what you've proposed..." while offering 0 alternatives...